Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2008, 09:00:17 AM » by jaemom

Sooo, I decided to do the patch test. I have several questions. I went to the store last night and they only had one bottle of orange iodine. It was the generic brand of betadine. My first ? is this, Is this the right kind to use for the patch test? My second question is, If this is the right kind, when it starts to fade, would it look splotchy? Third question, If fading = splotchy, about how bad of a deficiency would it be, if it starts looking splotchy after 45 minutes?

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2008, 09:53:09 AM » by cecac

Jaemom,

We have Iodine Tincture from a pharmacy. I do not think you can use Betadine, it is not the same thing.

Iodine, from my limited experience with myself and my husband, will not be splotchy so much when it fades and I do not think it will absorb that quickly, even if you are deficient.

We have been following the directions for Iodine Fullfillment Therapy which was sent to me by Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com). He is a doctor who uses supplements and diet modifications with low level drug use occasionally. He sends out a newsletter, and he also has mail in services if you cannot help yourself. Before my pregnancy, he had sent me his paper on Iodine Fullfillment Therapy because he recommended it to me upon looking at my symptoms. I will quote from this article:

"If you are one of those who would like more proof that your body needs or does not need iodine, let me share a simple test. Buy a bottle of Tincture of Iodine at the drug store and jpaint a 2" spuare spot on your inner arm. If it disappears in less than eight hours, you desperately need iodine. If it disappears in 24 hours, you also need iodine. If it simply stays on your arm and begins to slowly fade in color after a full 24 hours, you have already reached iodine sufficiency"

I am sharing our experience with my husband on this. He is taking 7 Prolamine Iodine per day, and he does patch tests to monitor progress every two weeks. As of this time, he is now seeing his patch fade in 8 hours. It seems to have gotten worse. Both he and I took patch tests and our squares faded at about the 12 or so hour mark, but now, he is showing more deficiency. That is after about 8 weeks of iodine fullfillment. He did not start this at 7 tabs, he began with one and increased the daily dose on a weekly basis. He watches for symptoms and tests every two weeks.

I am going to write Dr. West this week and ask about the normalcy of my husband actually getting worse. He and I both agree he has more stamina though, so that is a plus.

According to our literature, Iodine Fullfillment Therapy takes between 3 and 6 months. I now have the Iodine book recommended on this thread, and am reading it as well. The approach in the book, IMO, would be harder to do, but I will also say that Dr. Brownstein does not recommend the patch test, accuracy wise. Dr. West seems to be okay with it, it is something else I am going to ask.

HTH,
Cara

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2008, 10:06:25 AM » by jaemom

Thanks for the info Cara. I'll have to make a trip to the drugstore. Wink

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #93 on: April 07, 2008, 11:30:18 AM » by createddaisy

Quote from: daisey on April 06, 2008, 03:17:44 PM

createddaisy~~Thank you for helping me understand a little better. Are you doing this alone or are you under a Dr.'s care? I don't have a Dr. that will work with me on this so I am a little hesitant because I don't want to mess up anything worse than it already is.

I am seeing a naturopath. I don't know if you have one in your area.
Maybe you can find a doctor that will work with you. Could you start the supplement and then have your doctor check you again? My Dr. cannot do the excretion test in the book so we discussed overdose and such. My thyroid is only at 50% so I am supplementing for that also. I am pregnant so we chose to do both at the same time. I am taking between 12-18 mg of iodine a day. I do not think you can mess it up if you are informed about iodine. I know others on here that are doing it themselves.

A side note. It is mentioned in the book about minerals. I talked to the naturopath and did more research and it is a good idea to take minerals while supplementing iodine.
The water cure is a good source with all the natural minerals present!
I had a problem with the water cure but found out why.
HTH

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #94 on: April 07, 2008, 12:10:02 PM » by cecac

createddaisy,

I was told not to do iodine fullfillment therapy during pregnancy.....it can cause cleansing/detox symptoms.

I am not sure, however, what the dose would need to be above to constitute a fullfillment therapy. Do you know what normal dosage should be (and what would be considered above normal) for a pregnancy?

Thank you,
Cara

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« Reply #95 on: April 07, 2008, 01:40:24 PM » by Peg4Jesus7

I, too, am wondering about this during pregnancy. I'd like to start back taking kelp tablets, as I feel I may be defiicient again, but need to answer the pregnancy question first.

I had a uterine fibroid about 12 years ago, before kids, and went to the health food store to see what they recommended. The lady there pulled out "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis Balch and then asked me if I got cold all the time, if I had to bring a jacket wherever I went. I said "HUH?" I said yes, but didn't understand the connection. The book crossreferenced the fibroid with hypothyroidism (I had never been tested).

So she told me about the patch test (just store-bought iodine) and then recommended kelp capsules if the iodine soaked in quickly. Sure enough, it soaked in before the day was over, so I did it a couple more times before I just bought the kelp. I forget how much time passed, but the next time I got checked for the fibroid, it had disappeared

And, of course, I didn't get cold all the time.

I don't feel the symptoms are that bad this time, but I would like to at least add more dietary sources, and maybe do the patch test as well.

Thanks,
Peg

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #96 on: April 07, 2008, 02:35:16 PM » by prairiechild

I would be very careful about using kelp since it is frequently contaminated with aresenic.

I know that at 50 mg/day of iodine, you will start detoxing mercury etc, since this has been measured in an article I read.

As far as safety in pregnancy, I believe the iodine docs ok up to 12.5mg/day of iodine for someone who has already been taking it. If you have not been taking it, I would probably stay in the range of 150 mcg which I believe is what is in Supermom vitamins or maybe a little more but probably not over a milligram a day since iodine detoxes bromines.

I have done high dose iodine and it definitely did massive detox. Not what you want during pregnancy.

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« Reply #97 on: April 07, 2008, 03:50:47 PM » by ForeverGirl

Quote from: prairiechild on April 07, 2008, 02:35:16 PM

I would be very careful about using kelp since it is frequently contaminated with arsenic.

Would you say a little more about this statement? References, links, articles please?

I only found one oft repeated investigative report that was very speculative and incomplete.

I did find this study that seemed to have at the outset a better presentation of the known biology of arsenic:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2137100

I believe that Kelp is indeed one of the best ways to supplement Iodine naturally, and that the huge amounts of Kelp eaten in Pacific rim countries largely obviates the UC Davis report. In my opinion it was just another alarmist anti-herb / pro-pharma scare piece.

--gabe

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2008, 07:54:04 PM » by createddaisy

Quote from: cecac on April 07, 2008, 12:10:02 PM

I do not believe I am doing the iodine fullfillment therapy. The most I take in one day right now is the 12 mg. That is what has been determined to be the minimum for the body to function. The info from the web and the book all took 30 mg and higher of Iodoral or Loguls. I take the supplements from Standard Process. I did not know that I had idodine deficiency before becoming pregnant. I have hypothyroid but do not know if I had it before pregnancy or if it was started because of getting pregnant and the extra strain on my body. Without iodine you run certain fetal risks. And with hypothyroid you do also. I feel I need to correct these things while in the first trimester for the health and well being of the baby. I do not think the detox will be so great with the standard dose as opposed to the high fullfillment therapy. We do not drink flouridated water or use floride toothpaste. Should not have detox there. Bromide is found in white store flour and crops that have been sprayed with it and in the water. We do not eat very many white flour products any more (if we do I use unbromated flour) and our water is filtered. (except at the moment it is broke Cry

workin on it though)
Like I said the water cure is good for mineral replacement and to help with the detox if you have any. In the book mentioned he states that only 5% of people have detox. I have not found any info on the web about the % of people that have detox from iodine. I have not had any detox with the dose I am on. The dose I am on is safe during pregnancy according to the naturopath. They need to tell you about the overdose so you are informed.

If I have misspoke on anything on the above please feel free to correct me. I have done a lot of reading and talking but could easily miss something. Great to have a pool of minds to talk things out with.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #99 on: April 07, 2008, 08:13:00 PM » by cecac

Thank you createddaisy,

So I guess you are taking 4 of the Prolamine Iodine? Ya know, Standard Process also has Organically Bound Minerals, and it is Iodine (250 mcg) and Potassium (15 mg) per tablet. I share that because you mentioned needing other minerals to go with it.

The Organically Bound Minerals has Dried Alfalfa Juice and Kelp for it's sources.

I began taking Organically Bound Minerals (4 tabs per day) during this pregnancy. I was having heart rate trouble, so I chickened out and quit. I just don't feel educated enough to do too much, although likely, I've just been scared of iodine with the rest of the population Tongue

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I am thinking, myself, of ordering Iodoral for my hubby's next supply because of the iodide of which I'm learning in Dr. Brownstein's book. I just don't know, though, because it isn't organic like the Standard Process, not sure what to do there. The thing is, I get the impression that to get the iodide, the iodine has to be messed with to get the iodide in the first place. I'm no chemist, so I readily admit to not understanding that. However, in the book, Dr. Brownstein says that the tissues which concentrate iodine are breast and prostrate. The thyroid gland and the skin primarily concentrate iodide. Other tissues concentrate both. The ones mentioned are: kidneys, spleen, liver, blood, salivary glands, and intestines.

Okay, so my line of thinking for my husband is that we are targeting thyroid, but really we are looking at whole body fullfillment. I see no mention of Iodide on either Standard Process supplement.

LOL, and my other line of thinking is that if one does need iodide in the body, why in the world would we have to alter iodine to get it? I don't think God put that in the instruction manual or anything. Wouldn't organic iodine meet all the needs?

Dr. Brownstein seems very adamant, though, that to really help, it seems evident from all of his work and in conjunction with another doctor also, the combination product is the best choice.

Iodoral vs. Prolamine is the question for me. Huh

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2008, 08:19:56 PM » by prairiechild

Quote from: ForeverGirl on April 07, 2008, 03:50:47 PM

Quote from: prairiechild on April 07, 2008, 02:35:16 PM

I would be very careful about using kelp since it is frequently contaminated with arsenic.

Would you say a little more about this statement? References, links, articles please?

Dr Brownstein's caution regarding kelp. (He is one of the iodine docs)

http://www.drbrownstein.com/blog.asp

Caution With Kelp Supplements

My research has shown that after testing over 4,000 patients for their iodine levels, over 96% of those tested are significantly low in iodine. Many patients ask me if they can take kelp instead of iodine. The amount of iodine in kelp can be variable. Furthermore, I was always concerned that kelp supplements may contain toxic amounts of arsenic or halides. I have tested 2 kelp supplements and found very elevated arsenic levels in both items. Both of these products were marketed heavily and sales in the millions of dollars were reported. When I contacted he manufactures of these products, neither returned my phone calls. Remember, if kelp is grown in a polluted area of the ocean, it may contain elevated amounts of these pollutants. New research has validated my findings.

Researchers at the University of California/Davis found that eight out of nine kelp supplements contained abnormal levels of arsenic (Env. Health Perspectives, April, 2007). The researchers began to look at kelp supplements after a patient presented to the UC Davis clinic with a myriad of complaints including memory loss, hair loss and fatigue. She was found to have very high arsenic levels which was traced to a kelp supplement she was taking. After stopping the kelp supplement, her arsenic levels gradually declined and her symptoms improved.

So, what can you do? IF you are low in iodine, take a pure iodine product that is not contaminated. Lugol’s solution or tableted Lugol’s solution (Iodoral®) have both proven safe and effective in my practice. Kelp can be an appropriate iodine source if the kelp has been tested and found free of toxic elements. I would be very cautious about taking a kelp supplement unless the manufacture is consistently testing the kelp for purity and consistency

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2008, 08:25:23 PM » by createddaisy

Quote from: Peg4Jesus7 on April 07, 2008, 01:40:24 PM

I am glad you posted this. It helps others put things together in their body. My symptoms started 4 or 5 years ago with liver not being able to process like it should. Then adrenal glands were affected. A baby in that period of time. Then pain in what I thought was my ovary 2 years ago. Did not go to the doctor because they wanted to remove my reproductive organs instead of help me. Just last fall had body oder, could not loose weight, tired, stressed, among other symptoms. Got pregnant and still had the pain. Due to severly tipped uterus (which is reversable) and a concern with baby did an ultrasound and found a fibroid. Regular doctor said not a problem but I knew there was more to it. Started to do research and ask questions. Led me to the point I am at now.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2008, 08:25:57 PM » by daisey

How would you know if the kelp you are taking has been tested for Arsenic?
I did read the whole thread but am so full of info right now I can't remember some of it. Can anyone give me a list of detox symptoms to look for?

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2008, 08:31:28 PM » by prairiechild

I am not against taking kelp... as long as it has been tested for impurities and is guaranteed to be clean and pure. It concentrates impurities from ocean water and that is why it is frequently contaminated. There are some reasons why it is not recommended for orthioiodine supplementation. I specifically wanted to displace halogens so I went for lugol's and iodoral. See the following post...

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=899307#i

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2008, 08:33:35 PM » by prairiechild

I would expect that if the company took the time to test the kelp, it would say so on the bottle. Or you could call and ask them.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2008, 08:44:52 PM » by ForeverGirl

Quote from: prairiechild on April 07, 2008, 08:19:56 PM

Dr Brownstein's caution regarding kelp. (He is one of the iodine docs)

http://www.drbrownstein.com/blog.asp

Caution With Kelp Supplements

...Furthermore, I was always concerned that kelp supplements may contain toxic amounts of arsenic or halides. I have tested 2 kelp supplements and found very elevated arsenic levels in both items...

Researchers at the University of California/Davis...

Right, so, this is the bogus research I referred to above... even Doc Brownstein fell for it and doesn't properly explain (or, possibly understand) the biochemistry of organic arsenic.

Granted, the Kelp = Arsenic scare is all over the web, but all the scare articles source one single research paper that reports on one person who was symptomatic even before she started taking kelp... bleh. All this purported research went to press and got spread hither and yon all over the web despite the well known non-toxic nature of organic arsenic compounds...

So, I am defending Kelp... I think Logol's and Iodarol are great products and don't discount them... but, IMO, when you can use a pure plant source, it is generally safer, more bioavailable, and usually has great associated effects... like Kelp being loaded with many other very important minerals.

--gabe

PS: the curezone post you linked has other, very good points for using something besides Kelp... the arsenic reason is just not a valid one, IMO.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2008, 09:15:42 PM » by createddaisy

Quote from: cecac on April 07, 2008, 08:13:00 PM

This is what I am taking right now. Prolamine Iodine 4 tabs, Organically bound minerals 3 tabs, Thytrophin 4 tabs (thyroid), and Drenatrophin (adrenals- they are only working at 30%) 3 tabs.

Iodide is:
Iodine is not very water soluble. So iodide increases the solubility of the iodine. This is from the book "For the science majors, this means that the molecule of iodine has gained an electron, which allows it to form a salt with certain elements like potassium and sodium. When there is a full complement of electrons in the iodine molecule, it is referred to as an iodide."

I will be checked again in the middle of May so I can tell you more if the prolamine is working.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #107 on: April 08, 2008, 12:28:42 PM » by cecac

Quote from: daisey on April 07, 2008, 08:25:57 PM

You would perhaps need to call the company which makes the Kelp? Although, I would wonder if labeling it "organic" means it's been tested....

I haven't read this, but detox symptoms for getting proper iodine and allowing the body to kick out fake ones and metal toxicity can be flu like symptoms, things such as that. This is what a naturally trained pharmacist told me.

My husband is having some detox symptoms, but they are mild. He is getting an occasional headache and he started to snore Roll Eyes

(he attributes this to some mucus coming from one side of his head).

The one good side effect I saw this morning: He usually wakes up at 5:30, but this morning and some others he was "done" sleeping at 5 AM. Of course, lol, that may not be iodine. That may be he is making electrolisis machines to install in vehicles. He has our van to go, and he has already seen a gas savings on his commute car. Don't think THAT has anything to do with iodine. Grin

There are side effects for taking iodine among sensitive idividuals according to Dr. West: skin irritation, watery eyes, nose, and saliva, nervousness or headache. Some sensitive people can experience tachycardia (racing heart).

He warns that iodine therapy has been helpful for those with artrial fibrillation, however, if these individuals experience racing heart they must stop immediately. I get the impression from Dr. West that if someone is using iodine therapy for the heart, it would need to be communicated with the doctor, particularly he warns about people with heart arrhythmias and fibrillations. IF someone has been taking Amiodarone, it can NOT be taken simultaneously with the iodine. He stresses with this particular drug, your doctor has to take you off the Amiodarone and then you proceed with iodine. I am not sure if he is talking about just taking a standard dose, though.

Thank you for the Iodide quote, and I am thinking that is why I have a hard time with iodide and the whole idea that Dr. Brownstein puts forth in his book. I guess I'm a hard core, get it natural if you can, type. Iodide has to be made, it isn't naturally occuring. Undecided

I am going to keep reading on that one.

Cara

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #108 on: April 08, 2008, 01:42:02 PM » by cecac

More detox symptoms from Dr. Brownstein:

fatigue, muscle aches, fever, dearrhea, and brain fog, among others.

These are detox symptoms from halides, bromide, fluroide.

He explains that iodism (too much in the body) will result in a metallic taste in the mouth, increased salivation, sneezing, headache, and acne. He says that is easily rectified by reducing the dose.

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« Reply #109 on: April 08, 2008, 08:22:39 PM » by Peg4Jesus7

Quote from: createddaisy on April 07, 2008, 08:25:23 PM

Quote from: Peg4Jesus7 on April 07, 2008, 01:40:24 PM

CreatedDaisy, I'm glad this could help. I will pray for the Lord's wisdom; it sounds like you are on the right track. You're doing your homework, and that's the best thing you can do right now (besides prayer!)

All the best!
-Peg

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #110 on: April 09, 2008, 02:54:43 AM » by smithzonian

Just some random thoughts with this thread. A few years ago a NMD diagnosed me with Wilson's temperature syndrome. She put me on an iodine/iodoral tablet.
One of the main symptoms being low body temperatures.

Also, she explained that many times when replacing iodine, it somehow binds with sodium (I believe-it's been a few years) that was previously bound to mercury already in your body. Because the sodium wants to be bound to the iodine more than the mercury, the mercury is released into your bloodstream and excreted. She told all this to me to explain why so many people have been misinformed that iodine causes mercury levels to increase and won't take iodine supplements. Kind of scary to know the iodine's actually competing with existing mercury isn't it?

I stopped taking the iodine when I felt better and haven't been "cold" since I started taking SuperMom's. My temp's in the morning used to get as low as 95 degrees.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #111 on: April 22, 2008, 07:28:57 PM » by cecac

So, I am defending Kelp... I think Logol's and Iodarol are great products and don't discount them... but, IMO, when you can use a pure plant source, it is generally safer, more bioavailable, and usually has great associated effects... like Kelp being loaded with many other very important minerals.

--gabe

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I wouldn't mind having some discussion on this one if anyone has something to offer. I need to get more iodine for my husband, and have been using Prolamine Iodine from Standard Process. However, in Dr. Brownstein's book, he makes a case for using Iodarol since it has both iodine and iodide in it.

I agree with Gabe's above quote in that natural is best, usually. So, what would the greater benefit be of using Iodarol? Is iodine converted to iodide in the body? I was understanding that it was more an "in the lab" type situation, however, Dr. Brownstein says that the thyroid and the skin use the iodide, mainly. That means, to me, that the body processes iodine and makes it the way it needs to be for the parts of the body that need it in another form.

I guess I need to finish that book!!

And I also need to report that my hubby took another patch test and is improving. The patch disappeared in 12 hours, not just 8 hours. At least, I certainly hope that is what it means.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Cara

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« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2008, 08:45:56 PM » by createddaisy

Is iodine converted to iodide in the body? I was understanding that it was more an "in the lab" type situation, however, Dr. Brownstein says that the thyroid and the skin use the iodide, mainly. That means, to me, that the body processes iodine and makes it the way it needs to be for the parts of the body that need it in another form.

This is some info I found on some iodine sites about the body and iodine and iodide.

Iodine in foods is converted to iodide in the gastrointestinal tract. In the body, the primary role of iodine involves thyroid function. Iodide is trapped by the thyroid gland, which uses it in the synthesis of the thyroid hormone thyroxin (T4). Thyroid hormones regulate body temperature, cell growth, metabolism and the formation of red blood cells, making iodine a mineral of great importance.

I agree with Gabe that kelp would be great because of the iodine and other minerals. I know I am low in several minerals due to the iodine deficiency. I take the minerals from standard process because we are
in the process of starting a business and we have no running water.
So cannot do the water cure. The supplement I take has kelp in it.
HTH

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« Reply #113 on: April 23, 2008, 10:15:29 AM » by cecac

Thank you createddaisy!! I did a little more reading last night in Dr. Brownstein's book, and was going to do some internet reading because I had gotten the impression that indeed, the body does do an iodide conversion.

So, that is most helpful. I am thinking Prolamine Iodine is fine, then, being organic and therefore highly usable by the body.

I am noticing something in Dr. Brownstein's book, and I have a thought on this one that may or may not be true. Alot of his case studies are very sick patients. They have to have an entire nutritional program, including iodine, to get well. My husband is not in that position, we are simply trying to do some things this year for him to maintain health. I am thinking he is having no trouble with conversions as some whose health is compromised may have. Dr. Brownstein writes about some people being unable to make the proper conversions in the body--I am just reading that now, and it has to do with some other vitamin/mineral deficiencies.

Dr. Brownstein does not advocate a do-it-yourself approach. I would agree for those who are very sick with things that are iodine relative. There is no way that I or my husband could figure out some of what I'm reading in this book without the aid of testing/natural doctor care. Undecided

Just some thoughts,
Cara

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« Reply #114 on: April 23, 2008, 10:51:29 AM » by ForeverGirl

So... that's really interesting Cara, and createddaisy...
What you guys are saying is that it may be that Iodine needs other minerals and vitamins taken with it in order to get the full benefit (and possibly the Iodide conversion) which is already the case when you take Iodine in the form of a whole food like kelp...

I'm I understanding your train of thought?

~R

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #115 on: April 23, 2008, 11:43:59 AM » by cecac

Well, I haven't read anything in Dr. Brownstein's book that indicates the iodine necessarily needs to be consumed with something else as far as minerals/vits. He doesn't say, nor does Dr. Bruce West, to make sure you are taking other things along with the iodine in therapy.

However, I was reading last night in Chapter 7 of the book, entitled What Does Iodine Do In The Cell. He has a case history in there where he was treating a man with fibromyalgia. They also found he had Hashimoto's disease, as well. Dr. Brownstein did not get the expected results of iodine therapy with this man and so he also placed him on B2 and B3. Basically, I am thinking the iodine was not able to process at the cellular level for this man.

He also goes into oxidation of iodine, in which hydrogen peroxide is essential. The next chapter is on the oxidation and organification of iodine. I believe there is also a section that I will be reading on the need for selenium in the whole process.

The reason I am thinking what I am is from personal experience with adrenal glands and also insulin resistance. Insulin resistance, as explained to me by my chiro/OMD, is when the cell walls toughen up to insulin, and therefore more and more needs to be released into the body before the cells will actually accept the insulin for the handling of sugars. Hence, for me anyway, I woulld get very sleepy with too much sugar on an empty stomach (I had drunk veggie juice, freshly extracted, and felt drugged.)

Also, with my adrenal glands, I cannot take some types of B vitamins because when I am in a weakened condition, my body does not do the proper conversions, at least that is what my chiro/OMD explained to me. I had to find a B vitamin that was food source and therefore required fewer steps of conversion.

I am just thinking that iodine intake, as it relates to proper conversion in the cells, could perhaps be the same way. If a person is in a weakened state, then taking the iodine for specific symptoms which iodine should help, may not be successful without further understanding of what is wrong in that particular person's body, and particularly at the cellular level.

So, for my husband, I am not thinking that he would have trouble with conversions of the iodine. However, I may change my mind and make sure he is on B vitamin complex, selenium, anything else which will facilitate iodine, that is recommended in the book. I would change my mind if I don't see his body, through skin patch tests, begin to improve. This takes time according to what I've read, 3-6 months according to Dr. Bruce West.

Totally, totally just thinking over here, lol. I need to write to Dr. Bruce West about this Iodarol vs. Prolamine Iodine. I know I'm not understanding everything fully, but I do want some success for my husband, and later for myself and my MIL. Also, I wonder about the children. You see, in the book Dr. Brownstein is pretty conclusive that iodine is really great as far as steering clear of some forms of cancer (prostrate, breast, thyroid come to mind here). It is also fairly conclusive to Dr. Brownstein that most Americans are deficient in this important mineral, due to halogens in our food/enviornment, and other factors.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2008, 02:20:37 PM » by prairiechild

As far as organic iodine and inorganic iodine... They are two very different things. Lugol's solution and iodoral are inorganic iodine. You cannot take the research on inorganic iodine and apply it to organic iodine, as Gabe just explained with the arsenic, organic and inorganic are two entirely different things.
In the case of arsenic, I am understanding him to say that organic is safe and inorganic is not. With iodine, the reverse is true, organic is not safe and inorganic is safe. This is important especially with the high doses taken with orthoiodosupplementation. Does that mean that the 1 mg of Prolamine is toxic? Personally I wouldn't take it, I have taken up to 150 mg daily of lugols solution and would never dream of taking that much prolamine.

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Organic and Inorganic Iodine.
From the perspective of Orthoiodosupplementation, inorganic iodine (e.g., molecular iodine, I2, and the iodides, I-) are quite safe. The organic forms (e.g., drugs like Amiodarone and radioactive iodine) are not safe. From this perspective, one of the problems with past research is the confusion of the inorganic and organic forms of iodine, with the problems caused by the drug forms of iodine inappropriately blamed on "safe" inorganic iodine.

(Note: When they talk about "inorganic" and "organic", they are using the chemistry meaning of organic: An "organic" molecule has one or more carbon atoms.)

http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2008, 02:25:50 PM » by prairiechild

As far as companion nutrients with iodine, sometimes iodine is not absorbed in the absence of vitamin C. Though if you do take vitamin C with iodine, it is to be taken at least an hour apart. See this link for explanation...

http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962&q=581

This is the page that has info re: companion supplements...
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol

I took selenium and vitamin C and did salt flushes as needed. Those are the basics.

The best way to convert iodine to iodide is to put it in Orange juice. According to this link, it does not easily convert in the body...

http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962&q=581

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2008, 03:31:31 PM » by daisey

I am about 1 chapter behind you in the Iodine book. It gets a little confusing if I take in too much at a time. I also have another one of his books that I got from the library called Overcoming Thyroid Disorders
I have only skimmed this book and should do a better read but it is due soon. He covers diet, poor conversion of T4, other hormones and it looks like maybe he talks about using some vitamins with Iodine. It is more about Thyroid disorders but since Iodine is linked to Thyroid it might have some helpful information also.
My one concern is trying to do this without any testing. Dr. Brownstein indicates that you really can't rely on the patch test for Iodine so I am concerned about having some other means of telling whether I am getting to much or not enough Iodine. Maybe it really isn't a big deal if you have to much for a short period of time. It seems that you would have symptoms of overdose and could lower you dose quite easily.
Like others, I'm just thinking out loud to see if this makes sense to anyone else.
I am only using Kelp right now but I know that I need more Iodine than I am getting with the kelp.

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Re: Iodine: Sources, Inhibitors, Symptoms of Deficiency
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2008, 05:32:55 PM » by createddaisy

Quote from: ForeverGirl on April 23, 2008, 10:51:29 AM

That is my train of thought, from what I have learned and experienced so far. Although what I have learned is very limited.

Prairiechild: I took selenium and vitamin C and did salt flushes as needed. Those are the basics.

The salt flushes I understand are to help detox symptoms but in doing
those you are replacing vital minerals that the body is lacking at the same time. Salt flushes help move out toxins but also replace at the same time, aiding the body in repairing itself. So you are adding minerals. The amount of minerals you will need is different depending on how deficient you are just like the detox symptoms will be different for each individual depending on how much toxins are in the body. Maybe I do not understand this right?

How is prolamine considered a drug or organic iodine? Sorry, not following. Haven't read on this at all.

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