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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2007, 09:43:42 AM » by morningglory

I'm going to buy the book mentioned, but in the meantime, I need some advice. I had no sign of preeclampsia with my first, lost my second to sudden onset preeclampsia, ans I'm now baout 6-8 weeks with my third. I'm already having minor swelling in my hands. I think I may have the flu, because it's going around. I've got a fever and chills, and I'm sore and achy, especially around lymph glands. Could the swelling be from the fever? Huh

They both showed up around the same time.

I'm drinking a gallon of sea salt water and 2 quarts of herbal tea a day. as long as I stay VERY hydrated, the swelling goes away and comes back in the morning. I trying not to flip out, but I didn't have swelling this early with either of the other babies.

Also, what are good portable high protein snacks? Healthy beef jerky, nuts, seeds, is all I've come up with. I want to keep snacks in my purse and car.

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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2007, 12:37:33 PM » by BJ_BOBBI_JO

Ditch the carbs.

One of my neices had preeclampsia in her 1st 2 pregs. She had big watery legs that she had to keep propped up and was told to eat diet foods and limit the salt. She did that and still had troubles.

So with her 3rd preg she radically changed her diet and started eating low carb and avoided caffeine , pop and other high carb stuff. She ate a lot of veggies.

She feels that healthy and radical diet change is what made the difference. She also felt stronger and better during that preg and did not get all fat like with the other pregs.

IMO that baby of hers looked stronger, healthier and more sturdy then the other 2 did at birth. I'm not saying low carb eating is a cure all but it is worth a try and might be worth discussing with your doc. She did not 100% cut out the carbs but she did limit them a great deal. She still had fruit.

Just in case it makes a difference her preeclampsia ranged from mild to moderate but not sever.

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I have to eat low carb daily and I find some good portable proteins to be nuts, seeds, beef jerky, and if Im not going to be hanging out in the heat I bring boiled eggs with me to eat. Some ppl always take a jar of peanut butter with them with a spoon and eat it right from the jar.

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2008, 08:43:39 PM » by Yooper

Quote from: Whiterock on December 18, 2006, 12:05:36 PM

Here is the website for Dr. Brewers diet: http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/index.html...
http://www.bradleybirth.com/PD.aspx...
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james20.htm WR

Thanks for the links, WR! I noticed that your link for Blue Ribbon Babies wouldn't work for me...this did, though:
http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/

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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2008, 07:32:11 PM » by Yooper

OK. After summarizing on paper all the suggestion and factors involved w/ PE, and considering my pre-eclamptic experience/C-Section w/ PG #1 in '99 Angry

, I have a couple of conclusions for myself (in red).

Suggestions to avoid PE/Factors involved:

Drink a gallon of water/day

100 g. protein/day...preferably vegetable/combining grains & beans

Decrease refined sugars/carbs I think they sabotage my relatively high protein intake somehow

Take EPAs (black currant, flax olive, primrose oils)

Garlic

Vitamin E

Rest

Relationship b/w chronic inflammation w/ food sensitivities GLUTEN

Brewer's Diet

Celery/watermelon

Vitamin B injections

Increase serum albumin (6+ eggs/day)

My goal is to have no protein at next month's prenatal! (I had trace/30 yesterday). Angry

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2008, 11:13:34 PM » by Whiterock

Thanks. I fixed it.
WR

Quote from: Yooper on January 04, 2008, 08:43:39 PM

Quote from: Whiterock on December 18, 2006, 12:05:36 PM

Thanks for the links, WR! I noticed that your link for Blue Ribbon Babies wouldn't work for me...this did, though:
http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 12:05:25 PM » by djsnjones

Just to respond to a few points raised in earlier posts.....

--The Brewer Diet recommends 80-120 grams of protein a day, not 60-80 grams

--The BD does not recommend cutting back on carbs. In fact cutting back on carbs is exactly one misapplication that can make this diet "not work" for some women, and cutting back on carbs in pregnancy is very hazardous, especially when on a high-protein diet. At the same time, switching from refined carbs to more healthy carbs is a good thing.

--Drinking a gallon of water a day is also not part of the Brewer Diet. In fact, Brewer recommended not drinking water, especially during the latter months of pregnancy (when the stomach space is so limited because of pressure from the growing uterus), because water provides no nutrients at all, and it makes your stomach feel full, which leads you to feeling less able to eat the food that you need for preventing high BP and pre-eclampsia from developing. Rather, he encourages women to get all the fluids that they need from fluids with nutrients in them--like milk and 100% juices (no sweeteners added).

--Salt restriction is another factor that contributes to the formation of pre-eclampsia.

--Pre-eclampsia is the stage of the disease before eclampsia develops. Eclampsia is the stage of the disease in which the woman is having convulsions.

--The 80-120 grams of protein recommended is only for the purposes of maintenance and prevention. Once high BP and pre-eclampsia starts to develop, that level of protein is probably no longer enough. One doctor that Brewer quoted used up to 260 grams of protein to treat his eclamptic patients, and he did it successfully. It also works to give albumin intravenously to patients with pre-eclampsia or eclampsia.

--Once the symptoms of pre-eclampsia start to appear, the woman should switch to eating something with protein in it every waking hour--every 60 minutes. Another recommendation, for more serious cases, is to eat 17 eggs and 2 quarts of milk every day for 3 days. So you can see that eating the 80-120 grams for prevention is easier than what needs to be done once the symptoms begin.

--Any situation that causes pregnant women to lose a lot of fluid (through sweat or other body fluids) can cause the blood volume to drop enough to begin the signs of pre-eclampsia. These situations include diarrhea, hot weather in summer, hot homes in winter, hot work situations, and exercise.

--While hydration is important for keeping the blood volume where it needs to be, just drinking fluids will not do the job. If the woman's body doesn't have enough protein and salt in her system to provide the osmotic pressure necessary to hold those fluids in her circulation, those fluids that she drinks will just leak out into her tissues, or just get pee'd out. So the intake of nutritious fluids PLUS protein and salt are important for good hydration in pregnancy.

--It is not necessary to eat red meat to use the Brewer Diet. In fact, he developed two vegetarian versions of his diet, lacto-ovo and vegan. But it is much easier to get in the amount of protein that a pregnant woman needs if she uses the lacto-ovo version. If you want to eat meat, there are many options other than red meat available, and fish is very helpful for having a healthy baby (if you pay attention to which kinds of fish are best).

--The liver damage, and the damage to other organs, that is seen in the disease process of eclampsia is a result of falling blood volume which results from falling blood albumin which results from lack of protein and calories in the woman's diet.

--The intake of this level of protein during pregnancy is not a stress on the kidneys and liver, if it's done properly. It's the pregnancy that is the stressor on the kidneys and liver. And when the mother eats ALL the nutrients recommended in the Brewer Diet, she is feeding and sustaining the kidneys and liver as well, so that they can be protected from the stresses of the pregnancy, as well as being protected from the stresses of processing her food.

--My suggestions for protein snacks on-the-run include nuts, cheese cubes, yogurt cups, cottage cheese cups, trail mix, and boiled eggs. I also suggest keeping protein snacks at the bedside during the night, so that you can eat something when you get up to go to the bathroom. I caution pregnant women against relying too heavily on peanut butter, since some research suggests that a pregnancy diet with too much peanut butter might predispose the baby to peanut allergy.

--Many people have sought to ridicule or defame Dr. Brewer and his work, but no one has managed to disprove his work yet, and thousands of women can tell accounts of having been helped or healed by using this diet. At the same time, many people are teaching his diet incorrectly, which leads some to believe that his diet doesn't work.

The Blue Ribbon Baby website mentioned earlier is a good resource. Here is another helpful website....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/

Info on obesity and the Brewer Diet....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id69.html

Info on water and the Brewer Diet.....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id31.html

For more info on what to do for a BP that is rising....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id34.html

Best wishes to all,
JJ

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2008, 02:32:30 PM » by Whiterock

Joy,

Wow, thanks so much for your input and welcome to the forum! I hope you will stick around and contribute more. It would be great to have more folks with your expertise on the board.

WR

P.S. Great website, BTW.

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2008, 03:03:45 PM » by djsnjones

Thank you very much!

I know that it's so much nicer when people who post stay around and become a familiar part of the community. Unfortunately, I can't spend much time here, because I'm supposed to be helping to moderate another message board, and de-cluttering my house. Wink

But I might stop by again sometime.

Thanks again,
JJ

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2008, 03:20:35 PM » by Yooper

Quote from: Whiterock on January 23, 2008, 02:32:30 PM

Joy,
Wow, thanks so much for your input and welcome to the forum! I hope you will stick around and contribute more. It would be great to have more folks with your expertise on the board. WR P.S. Great website, BTW.

That's what I was going to say! Grin

Yes, Joy, do stop back in! Actually, can I ask a question before you "depart"? Cheesy

Can you think of other reasons for protein in urine besides pre-eclampsia? (Or anyone else, feel free to answer, of course). Wink

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2008, 03:31:46 PM » by djsnjones

I'm not an expert on that, but I can give you my impression as a nurse.

It's my understanding the protein molecule is a large molecule, and it's ordinarily too large a molecule to make it through the filtering system in the kidney. Whenever we see protein in the urine it implies some kind of kidney damage.

In pregnancy, it most often implies some level of pre-eclampsia, but it could also indicate some kind of kidney problem that has nothing to do with the pregnancy. Tests can be done to check that out, and/or to confirm pre-eclampsia.

However, it is also true that during pregnancy there is ordinarily a lot of secretions coming from the vagina. So sometimes, depending on how much care is taken during the collecting of the urine specimen, some protein from the secretions coming down from the vagina, can show up in the urine sample. To eliminate that possible "contamination" of the urine sample, you can ask for the kind of collection cup and special wipes that are used for collecting sterile urine samples, even though it doesn't really need to be sterile to check it for just proteins.

JJ

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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2008, 03:38:31 PM » by Maria/NHM

Quote from: djsnjones on January 23, 2008, 03:31:46 PM

However, it is also true that during pregnancy there is ordinarily a lot of secretions coming from the vagina. So sometimes, depending on how much care is taken during the collecting of the urine specimen, some protein from the secretions coming down from the vagina, can show up in the urine sample. To eliminate that possible "contamination" of the urine sample, you can ask for the kind of collection cup and special wipes that are used for collecting sterile urine samples, even though it doesn't really need to be sterile to check it for just proteins.

JJ

Just wanted to say that the one time I failed to do a "clean catch" as my midwife always called it, I showed a trace of protein. Thankfully my pregnant bladder is never truly empty Cheesy

so I immediately cleaned and retested just fine.

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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2008, 03:47:14 PM » by Yooper

Thank you, Ella and Joy...I'm hoping that the clean catch was my problem. I certainly follow the diet fairly closely...

Will do a clean catch at the next appt., and keep in mind other possibilities w/ the kidneys.

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Re: Eclampsia & Preeclampsia: Symptoms and Preventitave Cures
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2008, 03:48:31 PM » by djsnjones

Right.

And now that you mention it, getting a "clean catch" can also involve pee-ing a little before you pee into the cup--quite a feat even when you're not pregnant, but even moreso when you can barely reach to get any catch at all, and when there's so much pressure on your bladder from you-know-who. Wink

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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2008, 11:27:29 AM » by clover13

I need help figuring out if anything I am taking is making my BP worse. I had preeclampsia with my last pregnancy, but it did not start until the 37th week. I now have preeclampsia again with this pregnancy, but this time it starting about the 21st week. I am only 23 weeks now and my BP is just getting worse and worse.

Knowing that I might have problems this time, I did my research beforehand and I was, and still am, on the brewers diet. I am doing everything recommended and still the BP is going up.

I thought maybe some of the herbs or teas I am taking could be making it worse this time around. I am taking 2 supermom vit. a day, cod liver oil, silymarin liver support. As for teas, I am drinking mama's red raspberry brew and Dr. Cinnamon. Could any of these be making my BP worse.

I need help now. Every day my BP gets a little higher. I have 5 children ages 9 and under to take care of and if I ended up in the hospital I would have no one to take care of them and I sure don't want them to end up in day care for over 10 weeks!!! We homeschool and it is so important to be here with my children. I need help.

Thanks.

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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2008, 11:48:42 AM » by Whiterock

Does anything you are taking have licorice in it? Licorice can raise BP.

WR

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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2008, 11:52:43 AM » by djsnjones

Do any of the teas have nettle in them? Nettle is a diuretic and might counteract the physiology of the Brewer Diet.

I have to run out right now, and will check back later, or you can email me and maybe we can sort this out. But in the meantime, you can check out these pages of my website....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id34.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id79.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id75.html

Joy

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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2008, 11:58:49 AM » by cecac

God help you. When I read your post I wondered if perhaps the liver support item and the cinnamon item in your supplements might set up a little system cleanse/rev-up that could aggravate HBP?

Also, Lord help you, is there any way you can arrange your living room so that you can keep the kids with you but lie down for, say 15-20 mins per hour on your left side? Perhaps some videos, toys, etc, would allow the children to sit tight with you while you do this. It may keep your BP from inching up.

In the brewer diet, when a lady goes into preeclampsia, it is recommended to eat protein every single hour. Are you doing that? It might help ease the blood pressure as well.

HTH,
Cara

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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2008, 12:16:42 PM » by Yooper

There are nettles in the Mama's Brew tea...

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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2008, 01:28:55 PM » by djsnjones

If your raspberry mama brew really does have nettle in it, I suggest that you stop drinking it right away. Taking a diuretic at the same time as working on doing the Brewer Diet will counteract the work that the Brewer Diet is trying to do.

I'm also concerned about what might be in the supermom vitamins, and the silymarin liver support, and the Dr. Cinnamon. If it has cinnamon in it, that affects how you metabolize sugars, so it might be best to stay off that--it might be affecting how much of your calories you're able to access. Without enough calories, the Brewer Diet is less able to do its work.

So please feel free to PM me, or email me if you'd like me to take a look at what's in those items, and help you sort out what changes might help.

Best wishes,
Joy

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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2008, 01:46:25 PM » by Simply Kristen

Quote from: djsnjones on February 28, 2008, 01:28:55 PM

Nettles decrease swelling.... Why is that bad?

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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2008, 01:58:38 PM » by djsnjones

It's bad because nettles are diuretic. Diuretics make you have a higher urinary output and lose fluids that you need to keep in your bloodstream. During pregnancy, your body is trying to increase your blood volume by 60%. Taking a diuretic like nettles can make the blood volume decrease, rather than increase, and the end result can be an increase in swelling and an elevated blood pressure and ultimately pre-eclampsia. That's a very incomplete answer, but the longer answer can be found on these pages....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id11.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id35.html

Joy

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« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2008, 02:25:19 PM » by Simply Kristen

hhmmm.... that just doesn't seem to make sense to me.... Or agree with my own personal experience.

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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2008, 02:38:09 PM » by Gabriel Anast

The info on the linked page is very interesting, especially in light of this topic (if you have not read it, do so... its got a lot of interesting information that seems to me to be valid).

However, I think that you need to be more thorough in your reasoning here. The page linked does not say that excess interstitial fluid should not be decreased by using a diuretic like nettles.

The complete picture is something like this: interstitial fluid -> lymph -> blood -> urine.

On the page linked, a very thorough and insightful description of the nature of blood during pregnancy is presented... how to maintain blood health, how to possibly avoid blood insufficiency during pg, etc.

This is separate (as I understand it) from using a diuretic to decrease swelling. What the Brewer diet would recommend (not necessarily instead of diuretics, but... seemingly before anything else) is simply:

"...eat something every hour that has protein in it."

--gabe

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It's bad because nettles are diuretic. Diuretics make you pee more and lose fluids that you need to keep in your bloodstream. During pregnancy, your body is trying to increase your blood volume by 60%. Taking a diuretic like nettles can make the blood volume decrease, rather than increase, and the end result can be an increase in swelling and an elevated blood pressure and ultimately pre-eclampsia. That's a very incomplete answer, but the longer answer can be found on these pages....

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id11.html

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id35.html

Joy

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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2008, 02:53:04 PM » by Whiterock

It kinda makes sense to me. When you take nettle, it doesn't just flush fluid out of your swollen tissues to be used elsewhere, it flushes them completely out of your body through your bowels and kidneys. Loosing fluids decreases blood volume (and at a time when your body is trying to increase blood volume). And decreased blood volume does increase blood pressure.

The better option might be to address what is making you retain fluid in the first place instead of just trying to flush it out.

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2008, 03:08:53 PM » by djsnjones

Right. Although I must say that in a certain sense what the pregnant body is trying to do is retain fluid. Wink

But it's trying to retain fluid in the circulation, the bloodstream, and not in the tissues. The salt and calories and protein that you eat on the Brewer Diet helps you retain fluid in the circulation and not let it move out of the capillaries into the tissues (the ankles, fingers, and face)--which is what is happening when you see edema/swelling in those places. So one way to pull it out of the tissues and back into the capillaries is to increase the salt, calories, and protein in the diet. Adding those nutrients to the diet and thus to the blood, increases the osmotic pressure in the blood, which will pull the extra fluid out of the interstitial spaces.

This treatment is the opposite of what you would do for someone with a kidney disease or heart failure, because the healthy pregnant body works differently than a non-pregnant body does, or than a pregnant body with diseases of the circulatory system does.

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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2008, 03:12:56 PM » by clover13

Things have actually gotten worse since I first wrote. My BP is so bad that they don't think I will make it very long. They are talking about putting me in a plane to the nearest big city and delivering there. I didn't think it was that bad, but it is. If I have to leave town, there is no one to take care of my children. They said I would have to go at least 9 more weeks before I can deliver in town. I am very discouraged.

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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2008, 03:16:02 PM » by djsnjones

Would you like to call me?

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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2008, 03:28:02 PM » by djsnjones

Gabe,

Diuretics were proven in 1973 to be harmful to pregnant mothers and babies. That is when doctors stopped prescribing them so frequently. See the history here....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id74.html

And this page gives a thorough description of the process, and the dangers of decreasing your blood volume, and the instruction to avoid diuretics even if they are in herbal teas....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id11.html

The Brewer Diet response to symptoms of pre-eclampsia is more than just "eat something with protein in it every hour." It also involves making sure that you are also getting enough salt and calories. Without all three components, just getting the protein alone is likely to not do the trick.

In the case of pre-eclampsia, it also involves making sure that the protein intake is 120 grams or more. One doctor had success with levels up to 260 grams.

Once you make sure that you're getting enough salt, calories and protein, the next step is to make sure that you're not burning up or losing extra amounts of those nutrients, through exercise, work conditions, weather conditions, or home conditions. If you determine that you are losing/burning extra salt, calories, or protein in your life, then the next step is to think about adding more salt, calories or protein to your diet, or decreasing some of the situations that are causing those losses.

It is very frustrating to me that some companies still continue to put nettle in pregnancy teas.

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2008, 03:47:54 PM » by BlessedWith4

My friend was recently preggo with her 6th baby and developed toxemia. The midwife told her to start drinking tons of momma tea (I'm not positive which herbs are in it) and to take dandelion root to help clean out her liver. It totally worked and she ended up carrying her boy full term and birthed him safely at home several months ago!

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2008, 03:49:06 PM » by BlessedWith4

Quote from: Yooper on September 22, 2007, 08:15:43 AM

I was talking w/ a very knowledgeable woman last night about pre-eclampsia. 28 years ago she developed it in her first PG. She was seeing a midwife, and went to a Dr. for a 2nd opinion. He told her that she would have to be sectioned, 3 weeks early or there was a 90% chance she could die, and 100% chance the baby would die. After getting over that initial shock, her midwife came up w/ a plan to treat the PE.

After revamping her diet, in general, the midwife treated PE as a protein deficiency and recommended 100 grams of protein/day to get where she needed to be. She advised AGAINST red meat as the main source of protein b/c it's so filling and the usable protein wasn't as high as other foods. She was taught food combining (beans/grains) to make complete proteins. In 2 weeks, the woman lost 11 pounds of water weight, and had no protein in her urine. She went on to deliver a 8 1/2 pound baby at home.

I wish I had known this when I was PG with #1.

THAT is awesome!!! What a smart MW!! =-D

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