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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2006, 12:39:42 PM »
Dissociative Identity Disorder is also defined by the DSM4.  The more common or recognized name is Multiple Personality Disorder.  There's a book called "Cybil" that is written about a girl with several "splits" in her personality.  It is thought they were created to help her cope with severe abuse as a child.  I believe there's another famous book..mmm....oh yeah, The Three Faces of Eve.  I've not read this one, but it's supposed to be the same thing.
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2006, 02:44:55 PM »
There's a book called "Cybil" that is written about a girl with several "splits" in her personality.

I actually saw that movie as a younger child(around 12).  It made me cry.  But I would probably recommend the book instead.  I think it was because of this movie that people are so anti enemas. 

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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2006, 02:45:31 PM »
Thanks for the info HealthyBratt... but I must say again, that because of the circumstances under which DID commonly occurs and the unwillingness of the average medical practitioner to believe that there are spiritual components to many disease states... the common understanding of DID in medical circles is usually incomplete. The Three Faces of Eve and Cybil are interesting but broken views of what DID really is. Neither offers much hope, and I would not recommend them or modern psychiatry as having real understanding or answers. As a matter of fact I would plead with anyone who is working through this or similar not to read those books... they are a dead end.

There is a similar "disorder" called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I think that modern medicine actually addresses PTSD fairly well. Anyone who would like to see "mainstream" information that is (in my opinion) pretty helpful regarding disociative mental states might look into PTSD.

Call it alternative medicine, call it church help... but the body of materials that ICBC has developed is quite comprehensive, and IMO, excellent.

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2006, 03:12:10 PM »
Thanks for the info HealthyBratt... but I must say again, that because of the circumstances under which DID commonly occurs and the unwillingness of the average medical practitioner to believe that there are spiritual components to many disease states... the common understanding of DID in medical circles is usually incomplete.

I completely agree.  After reading "Cybil", it's obvious why this girl would have a problem, but to what the actual problem was is not clear.  I have my own thoughts, but they are neither physiological nor psychological.  My theory lies more in the realm of spiritual warfare and the vulnerability of someone in such a position. 
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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2006, 05:28:19 PM »
As Gabe said, the site does not offer much information, and from personal experience I can tell you that the term "generational curses" is not used by ICBC the way modern Christianity uses it. Jim Logan deals with people who have been the victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, or are the children of people involved in the occult, as well as many other "things." He teaches from Scripture, and my parents even recommend his book Reclaiming Surrendered Ground - if that tells you anything. The guy Mark Bubeck is a "front man" for the ministry, but is not a counselor.

Look for Jim Logan's materials. I've been through them, and it's just Scripture after Scripture on the spiritual position of a believer in Christ, the things that Christ accomplished, and how to stand against spiritual attack from the book of Ephesians.

He's not a Bible theologian like Mike Pearl - but he knows his ministry, and loves people who are hurting, and believes that Jesus heals completely.

I'm not trying to sell this man - but I wish I could communicate the freedom and healing that has come out of this ministry. There is no other counseling ministry I've ever heard of that I would recommend - not one.

Anyway - in truth, Christ is enough, and will bring healing as we seek Him - but there are countless verses on the wisdom of a multitude of counselors, and seeking counsel. Again, there is more on this at 7xsunday.net

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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2006, 05:51:04 PM »
I've been really thrilled with all the input here.  Thanks everyone!!  I checked out the link Gabe provided -- now I want to order everything on that list!!   ::)

This individual did experienced a few isolated instances of molestation and also has a feeling like something else has happened to her but doesn't know what.  Oh, and no big surprise, but there are sexual problems in the marriage.  I don't know if this is the forum to discuss this aspect of mental health problems??  It just kind of clicks with some of what you said, Beeyoutiful, but I'm wondering and I'm not sure if I understand correctly, are all people with DID aware that other "sides" exist?  Do they all have names for their other personalities?  I don't feel like there are multiple personalities in this case, but that is based on a very superficial understanding of what DID is...

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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2006, 06:14:28 PM »
No, in many (maybe most) cases those with DID are not aware of the other "personality". Depending on how long ago and isolated the trauma occured, the split may be really tiny - not a full personality at all - just a set of memories that are completely dissociated with the rest of the brain - in this way it is related to Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. 

Others, who experienced multiple occasions of trauma, may develop a fairly complete personality that deals with the bad stuff, the stress in life. Often in extreme cases there is time loss. The primary personality may lose an hour here or there when the switch occurs. Many cults have perfected the art of creating DID in sexual abuse victims so that they can safely use a victim without "evidence". There is far more of this going on than you would believe.

Sexual fears, confusion, and unexplained aversions are some of the first signs that there may be some level of DID. I want to emphasize that this is not a scary or crazy disorder. This is a natural, physical safe-guard that God built into kids to save them from the worst kind of abuse, allowing them to develop somewhat normally until they are old enough to understand what happened to them, and work through it. He is good in a world gone bad.

In many cases demonic harrassment may accompany the problems, as demons were probably "with" the abuser, and will continue to torment or harrass the victim with fears, dreams and situations. Having the "covering" of a good husband who loves and prays for you - or a good Daddy, will give protection in this area.

The first steps are to bare your heart before God, recall, confess, repent, forgive... hold nothing back. And then to listen and pray for God's healing. It's quite simple really. There is so much truth in the book of Ephesians.

I believe it is impossible to separate physical health from spiritual health. So often when Jesus healed someone, His words were "your sins are forgiven." Other times, it was to cast a demon out of someone. You don't hear that preached in America, but it is a very "desperate" truth in 3rd world countries where "crazy" disorders abound.

Americans are afraid of seeing themselves as spiritual beings, not realizing that this flesh is truly the briefest thing in our experience. The body is going to die - no matter how much Supermom and Tummy Tuneup you take. Having a whole and healthy spirit is far more important than having a whole and healthy gut. There - I said it.

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PS: The video set "Getting Free and Staying Free" by Jim Logan is very foundational.


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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2006, 07:28:01 PM »
I had to respond to this mail because in some ways I so totally understand.  You mentioned hormones as a possibility.  A couple of things I would highly recommend:  1) see a GOOD naturapath.  She can try and find one from this website.  www.ncnm.edu/alumniandfriends/find_a_practitioner.php.  or 2) Find a doctor who practices complimentary medicine.  They are few and far between but they do exist.  The advantage to the second option is they are also an MD as well as practioners of natural medicine. 

I share that because it took me 4yrs after my last baby to diagnose what ended up being a severe hormonal depletion.  My regular doc (who is a christian) decided I needed paxil.  My husband and I said no and went searching.  My complimentary medicine doc did a saliva test, blood work, etc. and what came back was I was so low on progesterone that it almost didn't register, I was low thyroid and a number of other issues.  He put me on a bio-identical (natural wild yam) progesterone cream, pregnenolone, natural thyroid and adrenal gland diet/treatment.  A year later I am well!  Thank God!  I cannot tell you how hard those 4yrs were on my husband and I.   I also had some pretty major emotional issues from the past so at times it was hard to sort through what was what.  If you can't find a complimentary medicine doc I know that mine does phone consults and test results over the phone.  He said they are few and far between in this country.   At least for me, this was the major answer to nearly all of my emotional struggles.

I'm new here and haven't had a chance to introduce myself.  I'll have to do that another night.  For now, thanks for having this site.  It's a blessing!

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p.s  I have to throw in this p.s.  God is the ultimate emotional healer.  For us, he directed to a physician who knew what he was doing, but for issues of my past, it was God and only God that can heal that and make one new.  - Just wanted to throw that in.  :)
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2006, 01:18:16 AM »
I can tell you that the term "generational curses" is not used by ICBC the way modern Christianity uses it. Jim Logan deals with people who have been the victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, or are the children of people involved in the occult, as well as many other "things." He teaches from Scripture, and my parents even recommend his book Reclaiming Surrendered Ground - if that tells you anything.

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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2006, 03:57:33 AM »
From personal experience and observation, I have to say that I have been truly blessed by the counsel Gabriel Anast and BeeyoutifulGirl have passed on.  My hope and prayer is that she finds and experiences the freedom that is meant for.

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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2006, 04:35:02 AM »
I know there are true cases of mental disorders, but one might get an advanced Lyme disease test done. There are Lyme disease specialists. Lyme disease , if untreated or diagnosed, can cause a plethora of mental problems. Even if you don't recall a time that a tic bit you, you could have bitten and not ever known. Here is a good web site for Lyme disease with a list of the symptoms.
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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2006, 06:46:09 AM »
Hi, new here but I had to reply to this topic.
My 14 year old son has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and he is on some very heavy meds. I don't like it but right now that is what is working.
We have done some alternative things like, reducing dairy and processed sugar. High fructose corn syrup is a major contributor of his moods. Not yet got that all the way out, working on it.
Store bought honey almost always has high fructose corn syrup, raw honey is very good for him. We are also looking into EFT for him, it has helped his brother with depression.
 Al really needs to be off these drugs because of the side effects, but I have major fears about taking him off them.
You all have given me some ideas to look into so I am so very glad that I found this site.
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« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2006, 07:23:14 AM »

 Al really needs to be off these drugs because of the side effects, but I have major fears about taking him off them.


I think it is great that you are trying to find something natural for your son.  When you are ready to take him off, don't be afraid to tell his doc, he will be able to prescribe you a smaller milligram amount to wean him off.  The medicine he is on is basically a drug.  Just like cocaine, cigarettes, or caffeine.  His body's withdrawl symptoms will be so severe if he just quits cold turkey.  But you probably already know that.  ;)

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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2006, 01:38:37 AM »
Has anyone read the book, "The shining man with the hurting hands?" It's put out by Fish House Publishing and you can read it for free on their website. Just click on "multiple personality disorder" and go from there. Becca, i'm especially curious if you've read it and what you think of it, since you had first hand experience with multiple personality disorder.

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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2006, 07:13:06 AM »
Hm, this leaves me wondering about this whole repressed memory thing.  I am close to a situation so have studied it some and it seems people that "recover" memories don't do so until a psychiatrist helps them do so.  Any thoughts on that?

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« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2006, 08:41:01 AM »
Hm, this leaves me wondering about this whole repressed memory thing.  I am close to a situation so have studied it some and it seems people that "recover" memories don't do so until a psychiatrist helps them do so.  Any thoughts on that?

I used to work with a children's ministry and counselled with many abused children.  Some were under a psychiatrists care but most were not. In my experiences from what I witnessed In a loving, caring, truth filled environment or "session" with any trusted person those memories can surface.  Sometimes to the horror of the child remembering them.  I have seen them come back as remembered dreams that were too real and then the child/teenager slowly realize that they were not dreams but actual events.
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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2006, 06:51:56 AM »
Hi,

I'm new here!  This is my first post, but I just had to get in on this topic.  My father is Diabetic and also BiPolar.  I am the queen of repressing bad things and I have very bad mood swings, sugar cravings and compulsive tendencies.  So I ordered the Potatoes Not Prozac book right away and I am also about to check into the DID links.  I just wanted to thank you guys for the insights and thank my friend for turning me on to this forum!   
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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2006, 07:58:20 PM »
I beleive more and more that it's part spiritual, part attitude and part my health. I will pray your friend can put all the pieces together.

this may not mean much, but i am bipolar, if that helps any, this 3part summary really really really is great! I've found this for myself to be a real encouragment: "attitude is everything." I don't know where it came from but it never ceases to be THE HEALING HELP whenever I need a quick reality-check.  With me summary helps so much and i love your directness ---  with me especially the healing end of things, of which I am coming toward inch by inch at times bound by bounds...
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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2006, 09:56:27 AM »
I just wanted to add here that it's really up to me how I react or take charge of certain obstacles...
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« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2006, 06:38:00 PM »
Moderator's note: there were some really horrible posts on here earlier. I am sorry for those of you that read them.

I do believe that the modern clinical diagnosis of "Bipolar" does exist, and that in many cases traditional medicine cannot fully understand or help it. I personally believe that there can be chemical/diet components, human interaction components, and spiritual components. This thread has been largely useful to help define some possible answers to Bipolar sufferers.

The now deleted posts were what I would call "Name Calling" and were particularly malicious. Like all of us, the person who posted them needs love.  Needs healing. I am not saying that posts like this should be given sanction, please report them to the moderators, but... remember to pray for the poster if you're the praying sort...

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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2006, 12:07:17 PM »
I just came across some really great resources on DID and other abuse recovery topics. Please give these a look if you have time:

http://www.myjourney.homestead.com/
http://www.helpers.homestead.com/
http://www.lydiapressministries.homestead.com/

Excellent introduction to the idea of DID:


http://www.myjourney.homestead.com/ATheologicalAnalysisofDID.html

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« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2007, 05:04:05 AM »
This is a pretty old topic, but I need to ask a question.  Most of the people mentioned with bipolar are women.  Does this occur in men as often?  We have a situation in our church that I can't go into great detail here, but it involves a Christian man who has some of the symptoms of bipolar.  I'm pretty unfamiliar with this condition.  I noticed that alot of you said it is part spiritual, part attitude, and part physical.  Would you all recommend Christian counselling?  By this, I'm talking of a place our churches are affiliated with where the person actually stays there for a certain amount of time away from family and life pressures and is counselled by Spirit-filled, Bible-based men of God.  Our church is right in the middle of deciding what to do here.  In fact, they are having men at the church praying for this situation all through the night and all day today.  We are praying for two weeks and then deciding what to do.  This man seems to have some bitterness, which I would call the spiritual aspect.  He also seems to have a sense of paranoia, which would be the mental.  Any advice would be very helpful which I can pass on to my husband and he to the ministers.  Thank you!

On a side note, I'm considering buying one of the books or videos that Gabe and Rebekah suggested.  Perhaps that will help.

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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2007, 05:12:39 AM »
Westernmama,

I think the Godly men intervening would be a good idea.  If nothing helps, then at least you know it is a physical problem.  If it is physical, this man needs to have a brain scan to see exactly where his "chemical" imbalance lies.  It is the only true way to diagnose "physical" bipolar.  I have read that a good diet with whole foods, healthy fats, B-vitamins, and Extra Vit. C have been wonderful in turning it around.  He can also try to be tested for  food allergies.  Sometimes a person's body is thrown off chemically just by an allergy.  Let us know how the man does.  Will pray for him and his family.  ;)

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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2007, 07:01:36 AM »
Hi,

I saw your introduction saying you are bipolar and not on meds, and I just wondered if you could share some resources or strategies that you have used... I have a friend who is bipolar and would love to come off her meds but is scared to.  She had a really bad episode a few years ago when she was not on meds, and ever since then has been really scared to come off, but I think deep down she's uncomfortable with being on them while she's pregnant.  Anyway, any ideas you have would be great.  She loves reading, especially "research-backed" scientifically based books, so if you read anything along that line related to herbal treatments for bipolar it would most likely be very welcome... thanks so much!

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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2008, 03:46:20 AM »
I’m composing this post and putting it in several places on this forum that have to do with emotional/mental disorders and nutritional factors.

I am reading a book by Autumn Stringham called A Promise Of Hope (ISBN: 978-0-00-200844-6). Autumn was diagnosed at the age of 20 with bipolar disorder that was unresponsive to traditional pharmaceuticals. This disorder ran in her family (mother, grandfather, brother). In desperation, her father (an engineer) teamed up with a pig-feed salesman and formulator. The salesman told Autumn’s father that the symptoms of the disorder sounded like ear-and-tail-biting syndrome which affects pigs that are missing a good ratio of trace and major minerals in their diets.

Together, they came up with a blend of minerals that could be readily absorbed by humans (it also has enzymes). Autumn has been off of all her medications for a decade now and is considered a normal thriving mom of 4 children. Her husband, by the way, is just as incredible as she is (to have cared for her and stayed with her through many, MANY things -- which you can read about in her book).

At any rate, the nutritional supplement is called Truehope EMPowerplus® and can be purchased here: https://www.mytruehope.net/store/products/truehope-empowerplus.asp?NSC=Y It is safe for pregnant and lactating women as it is a nutritional supplement and not a drug. From the site: “Nutritional deficiencies in key essential nutrients have been linked to disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, ADD, stress, and anxiety.”

The next thing I learned is that vitamin D deficiency is also linked to many behavioral/neurological disorders. A vitamin D deficiency can lead to poor neurological function -- in both adults and children. This refers to D3 not the synthetic version.

It is recommended that 15 minutes in mid-day sun was recommended with additional supplementation of D3 for those with symptoms (these can range from ADD, foggy brain, Alzheimer’s, ADHD, Autism, Depression, etc.)

Dr. Mayer Eisenstein (www.homefirst.com) recommends that 5,000 units of d3 be taken each day as well as allowing mid-day sun exposure (15 minutes or so) each day (light/little clothing). He has case studies that includes one boy with autism that within 3 days on this protocol had gained the ability to speak. He was 12.

Vitamin D allows the body to process cholesterol as it was designed to do and it regulates MANY other functions.

So, while it may not SOLVE everything, it certainly won't hurt and will likely help in many ways. . . . in addition to helping fend off viruses that are going around, but that would be another thread.

Just thought I'd pass on the info: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2008, 05:04:40 AM »
This is only related to some of the discussion related to healing from the past, but we appreciate the book "The Healing Path", and "The Wounded Heart" by Dan Allender. It helps answer questions about what to do with abuse in the past, and how to be helpful to others who have experienced it. We highly recommend it.
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2008, 07:37:17 AM »
SC,

That is interesting. I once read that a deficiency of vitamin C, in people with a predisposition to need more of that vitamin than normal, was linked to schizophrenia.

But then I read in Unraveling the Mystery of Autism that yeast in the gut was also linked to schizophrenia.  And I wondered if the mega doses of vit C helped people with schizophrenia because of it's yeast fighting tendencies and not because of any predisposition.

Anyway, it's all got me thinking, yet again, about the importance of a healthy gut and the role of nutrition in that quest.

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2008, 06:48:49 PM »
I wanted to add one more thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet. In looking at autism stuff, I noticed a problem called pyrroluria (also other spellings apply). In this situation the person has greatly compromised ability to absorb/ use properly  many B vits, zinc and other minerals and some other vitamins. It differs between people. Lots of people w/ autism have it, and apparently it has been implicated as a cause of many cases of bipolar disorder and related situations. It is an adrenal related problem. The person with pyrroluria can't handle stress and may react in any number of ways. Testing for pyrroluria will identify what the person is deficient in, and addressing the deficiency causes symptoms to decrease or go away.  8)

I also wholeheartedly agree with the statements by SC and WR!!
Yeast, fungus, and bacteria can be a real problem too. Look into clostridia, which can cause people to have to go into mental institutions because they are uncontrollably violent.
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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2009, 01:52:48 PM »
How grateful I am that I found this thread!  I am a wife and mommy to 2 little ones who is desperate for help.  My family is falling apart, because of me, and now I don't feel alone or hopeless.  Oh, the many times I have cried out to the Lord.  I feel like all the information presented here is an answer to prayer.  Thank you to all who have posted such valuable information.  I am excited to see what the Lord will teach me next and help me through all my "issues".  I can't thank all of you enough--THANK YOU!!!