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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2008, 09:14:14 PM » by KristenA

From what I understand... Lymes disease is a highly political/controversial topic. I have a feeling that in a few years the CDC's information will be considered wrong. Now, that doesn't mean I have all the answers... I just don't trust that it takes 24-48 hours to get Lymes OR that one has to have a bulls eye. Also, from what I have read the standard medical tests are not very good at determining if someone has Lymes or not.

Now..... WHY would the Plantain/garlic poultices work? I don't even know if they would? It was just a brainstorm.
Should you do this for EVERY tick bite? (I'm thinking yes?) OR, has all the blood born damage been done?

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2008, 10:01:23 PM » by mamaofangels

Quote from: KristenA on April 27, 2008, 09:14:14 PM

Okay thanks for all the updates. I agree that I am still very careful with ticks. But as I was reading your post, it got me thinking since it has to do with blood maybe that dandilion would be good as it is a blood puifirer (? Shrugging shoulders as I think out loud) I would think that plantain/garlic might draw out the bad stuff if applied right away and dandilion for ones that went unnoticed. Huh

Really just thinking out loud with you. I really don't know enough about plantain to tell you why it would work. I still go with VOFT to repel them. HMMMMM Lots to think about,
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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 12:06:50 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 27, 2008, 08:40:25 PM

OKay I haven't done tons of research on this but do remember that when I was worried about it I found out that a tick has to bite and stay attached for 24 hrs. before it can transmit lyme disease. So when we are in tick country I religiously check for ticks every night! I dont' know about any of the rest though. But all your ideas Kristen sounded in the right direction to me.
Jenny

I was under the impression that it also had to be a deer tick which seem to be less common around my area. Is this wrong?

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 12:46:24 PM » by ladyhen

Quote from: healthybratt on April 28, 2008, 12:06:50 PM

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 27, 2008, 08:40:25 PM

I was under the impression that it also had to be a deer tick which seem to be less common around my area. Is this wrong?

There is still conflicting information about the transmission. My dd has chronic Lyme and never had a tick. She did, however, have mosquito bites in the area where she has the rash. The doc she sees said that new information is coming to light all the time about Lyme and it is spreading fast. Very political topic.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 01:20:33 PM » by mamaofangels

Quote from: healthybratt on April 28, 2008, 12:06:50 PM

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 27, 2008, 08:40:25 PM

I was under the impression that it also had to be a deer tick which seem to be less common around my area. Is this wrong?

I've never heard this. I alway thought it was all ticks. But as lady hen said I guess even more can carry it.
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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 02:13:48 PM » by Siege

My middle son had Lyme last fall. It was "by chance" that we even saw the tick. It was SO tiny. A child could have a tick and you never know it and when it gets full it falls off or is rubbed off accidentally. Deer ticks are So tiny that they are often never even seen.

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 02:44:10 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 28, 2008, 01:20:33 PM

Quote from: healthybratt on April 28, 2008, 12:06:50 PM

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 27, 2008, 08:40:25 PM

I was under the impression that it also had to be a deer tick which seem to be less common around my area. Is this wrong?

I've never heard this. I alway thought it was all ticks. But as lady hen said I guess even more can carry it.
Jenny

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What is Lyme disease?

Lyme disease is a bacterial disease transmitted by infected ticks. It was first recognized in the United States in 1975 after a mysterious outbreak of arthritis near Old Lyme, Connecticut. Since then, reports of Lyme disease have increased dramatically, and the disease has become an important public health problem.

How does a person get Lyme disease?

Lyme disease is transmitted by the bite of an infected deer tick, which also is known as the black-legged tick. (Not all ticks carry the bacterium, and a bite does not always result in the development of Lyme disease. However, since it is impossible to tell by sight which ticks are infected, it is important to avoid tick bites whenever possible.) Immature deer ticks can be very small, about the size of the head of a pin; adult deer ticks are slightly larger. Both can be infected with and transmit Lyme disease. Deer ticks acquire the bacteria by feeding primarily on small mammals infected with the bacteria, particularly the white-footed mouse. (Domestic animals can become infected with the Lyme disease bacteria and some may develop arthritis, e.g., dogs, cattle and horses.)
(click image for a larger view)Deer Ticks
From left to right: The deer tick (Ixodes scapularis) adult female, adult male, nymph, and larva on a centimeter scale.

Deer ticks infected with the bacteria that cause Lyme disease have been found in Illinois. Areas in the United States where deer ticks are most frequently infected with Lyme disease are the northeastern United States (from Massachusetts to Maryland), northern California, and north central states, especially Minnesota and Wisconsin. However, Lyme disease has been reported in almost all states in the U.S. as well as in many countries throughout the world.

from http://www.idph.state.il.us/public/hb/hblyme.htm

This may not be current info, but this is what I had thought all along.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2008, 09:09:45 AM » by mamaofangels

Okay thanks for that info. but I wonder WHY only dear ticks carry it? also I doudt I would ever be able to tell them apart from all the others! I'm terrible at that kind of stuff. Plus first time I saw a tick I thought it was a spider Roll Eyes

DH set me straight!
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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2008, 10:18:35 AM » by Siege

Deer ticks are micro-minis! Grin

They are super small. Regular ticks are not as small. CJ

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2008, 01:33:02 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 29, 2008, 09:09:45 AM

DH set me straight!
Jenny

There are pics on the website I posted. And Siege is correct...deer ticks are very small in comparison to other ticks.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2008, 07:38:02 PM » by DHW

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 29, 2008, 09:09:45 AM

Okay thanks for that info. but I wonder WHY only dear ticks carry it?

Oh, no, they aren't dear at all!

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 07:55:22 PM » by rainydayz

Its not just the deer tick that can transmit Lymes, its the:
Deer tick(Ixodes dammini) in the Northeast and midwest
Blacklegged tick(Ixodes scapularis) in the South
Western black-legged tick(Ixodes pacificus) in West
Lone star tick(Amblyomma americanum) found in several regions
ALSO possibly the American dog tick (Dermacentor variabilis) may be capable of transmitting the disease.

Gross.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2008, 06:42:41 AM » by Lauralee

I live in the northeast, lyme disease central. We recently moved into the woods and ticks are daily occurance. Even in the winter on a semi warm day. My naturopath said ticks and mosquitoes don't like B vitamin. She recommended a multi vitamin for the kids. I haven't found many ticks on them since I started, when I did find them it was when I had forgotten to give them their vitamin (bad Mom!). We also do a tick check every night. The dogs get Frontline.
My sil had Lyme disease bad. He still suffers from the effects. We are trying to find a dr who specializes in Lyme disease.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2008, 08:28:14 AM » by ladyhen

Thanks for that reminder, lauralee. I usually have my children taking extra B vit and haven't started them, yet.
My dd's doctor (in the SWest) tests something like 80% of his new patients for Lyme. And that's in an area where it is supposedly not prevalent! He has told us that there are some studies that are showing it can be spread by mosquito and flea. Shocked

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2008, 08:46:55 AM » by mamaofangels

Quote from: healthybratt on April 29, 2008, 01:33:02 PM

Quote from: mamaofangels on April 29, 2008, 09:09:45 AM

DH set me straight!
Jenny

There are pics on the website I posted. And Siege is correct...deer ticks are very small in comparison to other ticks.

Interesting I thought the very small ones where seed ticks. I guess I have alot to learn if I'm going to move to Missouri someday Roll Eyes

Ticks are not common in Colorado but they still warn you to check when you go into the mountains but living here all my life never saw one till we went to MO. Tongue

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2008, 01:56:25 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: rainydayz on April 29, 2008, 07:55:22 PM

Do you have a resource on this? I've never heard this before. I'm interested in knowing more.

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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2008, 08:34:31 PM » by petrimama

I have also never heard this. I have heard that deer ticks look different in different regions, but not that other types of ticks carry the disease. In fact, I remember specifically reading that Lyme comes from deer tick saliva, so there is no risk from other types. Please post your resource. I try to stay on top of this topic and I am interested in knowing if there is any new research that I am unaware of. ~L

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2008, 09:35:27 PM » by ladyhen

Here are some links that show just some of the vectors that transmit Lyme. The first one shows pictures of some of the various ticks that have been shown to carry the bacteria. The second link is a report of a study that found the bacteria present in mosquitos. There is a lot of information that does not reach the media.

http://www.lymenet.org/pictures.shtml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18274258?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2008, 11:24:45 PM » by rainydayz

Thank-you Ladyhen!

Here is another source:

http://www.canlyme.com/ticks.html

We learned it was more than the deer tick in school, however at that time nothing was said about soft bodied ticks- like the dog tick. New studies show that it can be found in many species but they are unsure if the dz can be transmitted by them. Yikes.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2008, 06:09:17 AM » by braydensmama

I know this is an older post but someone please tell me what to do! I just found a small tick all puffed up and full of blood in the crease of my toddler's knee. I think he got it 2 days ago when I was visiting a friend in the country. Terrible thing is that I saw a brown dot on him yesterday briefly and I thought it was a mole. Then this morning I was like "he doesn't have a mole there!" and I checked and there it was. I put a match close to the tick and got it off with tweezers.....the head and everything came out. Now he has a little red spot about the size of...hmmm...the circumfrence of a pencil eraser. I don't know what to put on it. I put arnica salva for the rash but I don't know what else to do!

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2008, 10:49:53 PM » by KristenA

Any more ideas about Lymes Prevention?

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2008, 07:22:01 AM » by dara

My friend is a Master Herbalist, and she said she thinks that papaya leaf tea works as a tick repellant. Perhaps because of it's anti-parasitic qualities? I think she said as little as one cup a week. I do not live in tick country, or I would test it out. I seem to live in a pocket in my state that doesn't have ticks. I haven't found anything online to confirm this... but it might be worth researching.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2008, 08:42:09 AM » by SarahK

Papaya leaf repellant:

http://www.echotech.org/mambo/images/DocMan/PapayaLeafTN1.pdf

Pretty informative PDF document from the Educational Concerns for Hunger Organization (ECHO). It doesn't seem to have a scientific method as it's basis, but is rather a collection of experiences of their associates.

I wouldn't base my 'prevention of life-threatening, insect-born diseases' plan on this article, but it does interest me.

Sarah K

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2008, 09:02:48 AM » by KristenA

I'm now researching Papaya Leaf!
I'm also thinking that after a tick bite... take some antiparasitic supplements or foods... just to be safe. Any idea of how long to take these and at what frequency?

I'm also looking into Guinea Fowl for the yard.

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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2008, 09:05:18 AM » by Roehrmomma

I also put a salve like eden salve that I made on tick bites right away to pull yuck out. We have had so many ticks this yr it is crazy!

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2008, 09:23:43 AM » by littlemama24

Quote from: KristenA on June 12, 2008, 09:02:48 AM

I'm curious as to what you mean by this and the why behind the approach...
If by anti-parasitic you mean something that would repel the tick are we assuming the tick is still lodged on the skin and the anti-parasitic foods/supplements are to deter the one that bit
or
are you talking anti-parasitic foods/supplements to "address" the possible spirochete bacteria that cause the illnesses?

What is an example of an anti-parasitic food/herb that would knock out bacteria of this sort? I am thinking garlic (if used right right away), etc. I know much of the difficulty with killing or even diagnosing spirochete bred illness is that they reproduce at odd intervals from "normal" bacteria which makes them ellusive plus the way they move (a spiral motion of their flagella) enables them to "hide" from white blood cells and move swiftly through various kinds of body tissues before they can be eliminated. I think of them as the "cockroaches" of the bacterial world...lol

a basic description of a spirochete:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_762510117/spirochetes.html
oohhh- I found a site that lists 5 herbs to treat lyme's:
http://nationallymereport.com/?p=11#more-11

I'll highlight that section:

Rounding out the Top 5 herbs in common and reportedly successful use against Lyme, in order of popularity, are:

* The anti-microbial herb Cumanda.

* Milk Thistle Extract for liver and kidney function and detoxification.

* Japanese Knotweed-Andrographis Paniculata “complex” formulas containing L-Arginine as an anti-bacterial and for energy improvement, Eleuthero for energy and adrenal support, Wormwood and St. John’s Wort for mood and brain function and as an anti-viral. These often contain Milk Thistle Exract, also known as Silymarin.

* Evening Primrose Oil standardized extract.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2008, 09:32:51 AM » by KristenA

Quote from: littlemama24 on June 12, 2008, 09:23:43 AM

Quote from: KristenA on June 12, 2008, 09:02:48 AM

are you talking anti-parasitic foods/supplements to "address" the possible spirochete bacteria that cause the illnesses?

Yes, to dislodge/kill the bacteria that possibly made its way in from the deer tick.

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2008, 09:48:41 AM » by dara

Ok, I don't know how practical this is, but now that you mention garlic, I remember that a neighbor used to give his dog garlic capsles in the summer to ward of ticks. He said it worked well. Hmmm. Maybe if we all eat like Mediteranian people with garlic in every meal? Cheesy

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2008, 11:09:59 AM » by BJ_BOBBI_JO

Quote from: dara on June 12, 2008, 09:48:41 AM

I would not recommend garlic for dogs because it is said to be one of the main foods that are toxic to dogs and can greatly harm them after so long of eating it. Try a google search and ya will find info on garlic being toxic to dogs. I never knew that until his year.
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Is there such a thing as garlic spray? If not how could one make it to spray self when in the deep woods to help ward off ticks? With olive oil and water perhaps?

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Re: Lymes: Prevention
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2008, 11:15:37 AM » by littlemama24

Quote from: BJ_BOBBI_JO on June 12, 2008, 11:09:59 AM

Quote from: dara on June 12, 2008, 09:48:41 AM

If I remember correctly, vinegar of the 4 thieves is made with crushed garlic. You buy the heb mix from www.bulkherbstore.com and then follow the directions from the website. I think it would work good for dogs. It didn't work so great on horses during our mosquito rampage after the floods last year but it seemed to help us if we sprayed it on our shoes and clothing. It stings on the skin if there are previous bites (because of the vinegar). Anyway, I believe we always make it with the crushed garlic in it. hth

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