Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2006, 04:44:04 AM » by mishy

Well, the theory that I read is that little kids' sleep pattern is unlike the adults. We go through REM and then a time where we are closer to being awake and then we go deep.... however it is. Tongue

Anyway, the kids don't go through the close to being awake part until they get a little older. Usually you will feel your urge to go during this sleep cycle.
Another factor is that your body does not produce as much urine at night. If they are wetting the bed, it means this sensor has not "kicked in" yet.

That makes sense to me. We have our 5 yr old on a sensor and when it goes off he is like dead. I have to go through some drastic measures to try to wake him up.

I have taken him several times to be adjusted because my good friend is a chiropractor.

That has not yet worked. One thing I disagree with what your chiro said is about the bladder not growing. I like the above theory better.

But that is my opinion.

Others claim it is a deficiency- hey! Rebekah, did you do any more research on this???

So, hm. It's a mystery!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2006, 10:24:12 AM » by abbilynn

Our chiro is a Gonstead also. In fact, I think he studied under that guy or something like that. Anyway, he's the greatest. He's into natural health, no vaccines (unfortunately we found out about that stuff too late), and always has a good answer for my kids' problems. Like coconut oil for my son't rash. He helped my son quite wetting the bed, got rid of his night-terrors, and when they get sick and he adjusts them they heal much faster. We go 2-3 times a week, usually 3 weeks out of every month. Since I started going, I haven't had migraines anymore. We have also done dietary changes that have helped tremendously. We read the book "The Body by God" and it was great! My chiro writes articles for that website (thebodybygod.com) sometimes. You can go to that website and find a chiro in your area that he recommends. Also, I bet if you let me know what area you are in, my chiro would be able to find someone who would be great to go to. He knows alot of people and travels to talk at seminars alot.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2006, 11:58:44 AM » by Pennie

We don't go as often as I would like. We have to drive 45 mintues on way to see him. Sad

Interesting though ours goes to a seminar thing every Friday to keep abreast of what is going on. We didn't go so far as to have Luke x-rayed b/c we didn't really think that would make any difference. He has adjusted my 5 month old several times. she had a stuffy nose early on constantly and after the adjustment she dried up. Went last week though and she fell off the bed later when we got home. Angry

She is very stuffy right now. And no more leaving her on the bed!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2006, 02:58:51 PM » by DawnsEarlyBirds

Quote from: healthybratt on July 19, 2006, 10:08:54 PM

My 5 year old was trained and started wetting the bed again. I took her off juice and milk completely and put her in diapers for a week. She didn't like the diapers, so she tried very hard to earn the right of panties back and the water flushed her system to make it easier for her. Now she seems okay if she has sprite or koolaid once in awhile, but if I give her OJ she wets the bed again. Something in the citrus??

I had a son who was not a regular bed wetter, but more than most of ours. He also has a problem with his hands drying and peeling in the winter. We found on our own, that having NO orange juice helped his hands. Later someone told me that bedwetters should never have orange juice, something about it's effect on the bladder. He has never wet the bed since we stopped letting him have OJ.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2006, 04:51:59 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: DawnsEarlyBirds on July 25, 2006, 02:58:51 PM

Later someone told me that bedwetters should never have orange juice, something about it's effect on the bladder. He has never wet the bed since we stopped letting him have OJ.

I mentioned earlier (I think) that I thought mine wet every time I gave her Orange juice. My husband thought I was nuts because she would wet 2-3 days in row after having it, and she had one incident the other night but didn't have any OJ, but I'm still convinced this is a trigger. I don't give it to her any more and if I do for some reason, I will be watching to see if it effects her like I think it will. Sometimes grandma slips in some stuff to the diet when I'm not looking. Wink

I think milk might also be a trigger. Maybe lactic acid and citric acid work the same way on the bladder Huh

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2006, 09:10:07 PM » by 4my3rascals

My 7 year old that still wets at night wears pull-ups because occasionally (1x per month) she wakes up dry and prefers not to wake up wet all over; however, after reading this blog, I took her off milk and she has been dry (only 2 nights).

I recall a time period when she was 5 that she would not drink milk, only in her cereal and she woke up dry fairly consisently. Shortly, afterwards, she dropped nap time and started wetting again, yet we also started pushing the milk. Anyway, working so far, only time will tell. The chiropracter has not helped this particular issue. Also find it interesting that another bedwetter grinds teeth. She also grinds teeth and is not a deep sleeper.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2006, 09:15:03 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: 4my3rascals on July 25, 2006, 09:10:07 PM

Also find it interesting that another bedwetter grinds teeth. She also grinds teeth and is not a deep sleeper.

My son, the bedwetter, used to grind his teeth a lot, too. Interesting correlation. Bruxism, as it is called, can be helped with Vitamin B12 supplementation. My son ground his top two front teeth down that it is almost in a "V" shape. I put him on some chewable B12 and after a month he stopped completely. He hasn't been on it for a couple years and does not grind his teeth, anymore. But still wets the bed.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2006, 10:33:25 PM » by Kari

Yes, I found with my potty-trained girl and boy that juice or milk in the evening would trigger bedwetting. But, they can drink lots of water right before sleep and not have any problems bedwetting! Another trigger is going to bed too late (like after a wedding/special event). I guess they are too deep asleep to wake up in response to the need to use the bathroom.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2006, 05:49:51 PM » by Pennie

Just have to share this.....after HB said pullups were too expensive she would rather do laundry I asked my boy if he would rather have plastic on his mattress and give up the pullups. He said "YES!" So, we finally got the mattress cover and last night not only did he NOT wet the bed, he also got up once(it was dark still he said)and went to the bathroom! We were all very happy.. Granted it was just one night but maybe the pullups were a detriment to him getting up. He said he stretched and felt like he needed to go so he got up. Hallelujah. I am so happy for him!! Grin

And we didn't do anything else differently and he even drank soda at supper(we ate at mazzios, shhh). Wink

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2006, 01:18:58 AM » by mishy

Hm. My son doesn't drink milk or OJ. So that isn't a factor for us. Sad

Wish it were!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2006, 05:42:30 AM » by mykidsmom

Oy, bedwetting... we've struggled with our son staying dry (day and night) since he was about 4. At first we punished, retrained, etc. but nothing was helping. When he was 5 I took him to our family doctor and he told me that a child not staying dry during the day by 5 is abnormal. Yeah, no kidding! Shocked

He wanted us to take him to a urologist but we held off. Fast forward two years (to spare ya' all the details) and he was still wetting during the day and forget nighttime training. My little sister has a small bladder and wet the bed until she was 10 or 11. She's had bladder problems all her life. My husband and I had set a timetable for when we would take our son to a urologist if we couldn't fix the issue. Keep in mind, we've tried everything everyone has mentioned (except chiropractic). Nothing worked. I asked my sister honestly what she would do (she's also married to a doctor) and she gave us advice that has ended up being correct. She said that beyond age 5 a child staying dry during the day (and night) becomes somewhat emotional. Partly because they start getting embarrassed about it and parents get frustrated which makes the child more emotional and a vicious circle is started. She suggested we back off and tell our son that he was going to be in charge of staying dry from now on. *If* he wet during the day he would only be punished if he stayed in wet cloths. Otherwise, he could come in and change and nothing would be said. Well, after a week of some daytime wetting, where he could see we weren't reacting and he was changing, he started to relax a little, he's been dry since. I think he's had one accident in this past month and he was quick to deal with it. I think he was so worried about getting into trouble that he'd fret over that instead of paying attention to if he needed to go to the bathroom or not. We frequently put our arm around him and tell him that we're proud he's being a "big man" and taking responsibility for staying dry, drinking extra water, etc. But he still soaks at nighttime. I mean soaks. He drinks nothing after 6:00pm and if he even drinks a small amount of water after brushing his teeth he is wet through his cloths, bedding, etc. that night. Guaranteed. He's seven now and it really bugs him that we are nighttime training my 5yr old girl but he's still not even close. He's asked us to get him the potty alarm so he can try. We agreed to at the end of the summer after he's had several months (by then) of absolute dry days. The problem is we don't think the alarm is going to help. We KNOW he has very little bladder capacity. On Sundays he goes to the bathroom before leaving for church at 9:30 and when we get to church at 10:30 he has to go again and my husband says he goes A LOT. And we stand there and make sure he empties his bladder before we leave. The only thing we have found that seems to help is to have him drink LOTS of water during the day to try and stretch his bladder (except on Sundays! Wink

). Everything we've read says that 10% of boys will have trouble staying dry at night by age 7 and that 10% a year will resolve themselves. We really don't want to put him through the cytoscopy that a doctor would want to do so we're just patiently waiting and trying to encourage him to drink lots of water (anything else doesn't work). I expect he'll be much like my sister since their bladders appear to be the same and start staying dry around 9 or 10. But, we're probably going to let him do the alarm because we also don't want to discourage him from trying.

There is so much in between all of that as far as what we've tried but that's the long and the short of it. At least for us, bedwetting appears to be genetic (and we have read it is) so we're trying to relax and not stress him out and encourage him to get up if he wakes up (which he does and he goes) and at some point we're figuring that the brain/bladder connection will hit and he'll outgrow it.

Patti

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2006, 07:42:45 AM » by Pennie

I was a bedwetter too. From what I hear it is pretty normal in boys to have trouble. We never punished. Have you considered his diet? I think allergies too can be a trigger. I thought my son wet b/c he is such a heavy sleeper but I think it is a lot b/c he is a restless sleeper. My dad and mom both were wetters too. We had our boys anatomy checked out too. It was fine. The ped. wondered why we even cared. Mostly b/c like you said, it bothers him. I have heard success stories with the chiropractor although we weren't one of them. My cousins little girl didn't wet at night but during the day and she would get adjusted and be fine for awhile. Then there was a boy that had a problem and they discovered he was throwing his sacrum out during ball practice. He was a catcher. I think the best thing for the kids is down play it and not stress them out even more. My parents never punished me or anything b/c they had both been through. I was a pretty small person so I was able to wear cloth panties and plastic pants even up until I was 8. I remember b/c that was when we went to Brazil and I was still wearing them. Funny, that never really bothered me. Atleast I don't remember being bothered. Roll Eyes

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2006, 08:21:12 AM » by annafogg1

I have 7 children; the 1st 3 NEVER wet the bed...I am serious! A girl and then 2 boys, and never an accident at night...in fact, my oldest child, Jade, potty trained herself, and we just noticed one day that we hadn't changed any diapers...all we did for her was 2 months before her 2nd bday, put a potty in the bathroom and she would 'pretend' to go when I did, and then for her 2nd bday she got a pack of pretty flower panties...that was it, she wore the panties, and never wet them, day or night. This will and control over her self and life has always been a part of her up 'til this day...first born syndrome, I suppose.

ANYWAY....I have 4 little girls, 9, 7, 5 and 4....we still buy Pull-ups! They are pricey, but we reuse them a lot! I mean a lot, like using safety pins if they get loose....but all 4 still have accidents. The oldest at 9 is very infrequent now, maybe once/month, but just 6 months ago, it was once/week. The baby at 4 is still at once/week, the 5 yr old has had the least trouble, but all 4 could still be called wetters. We have tried it all, holding off drinks after 7 pm, getting them up at night...let me tell you what a ROYAL undertaking it is to get 4 girls up, one by one, guide them and set them down on the toilet while they are dead weight! And getting them down the bunks safely....so....for us, is it Nature or Nurture? Is it just something in their genes? Could it be something they all eat? They all share the same room, the same bed/beds....we don't do much juice at all....they are allowed only one 'flavored beverage' each day. and I'd rather buy the fruit than juice, so sometimes they are getting juice only twice/week.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2006, 11:40:42 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: mishy on August 03, 2006, 01:18:58 AM

Hm. My son doesn't drink milk or OJ. So that isn't a factor for us. Sad

Wish it were!

The common denominator in these seems to be the acid. Is he eating or drinking something else high in acid - maybe Huh

Lactic and Citric acid are used almost interchangably in many food products. My hubby used to work at Trolli (gummy bear factory) and they use both of these in their candies to make them tart. Wink

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2006, 11:44:53 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: annafogg1 on August 03, 2006, 08:21:12 AM

we don't do much juice at all....they are allowed only one 'flavored beverage' each day.

I quit giving mine juice and milk altogether and after 2 weeks the bedwetting stopped. I've only had 3 accidents since (4 months) and each time she had milk or orange juice. She's only allowed Koolaid, Milk, Juice or Pop on very rare occaisions. We drink water.

In fact one of these accidents was yesterday and the kids talked me into some milk yesterday.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2006, 12:53:43 PM » by annafogg1

Well, I am going to try this today, HB, restrict them to water and occasional popsicle and do a 2 week trial.
But I still wonder as my oldest three who never wet drank much more
flavored beverages than these guys as I only had 3 then and they were small-
I could afford more in my grocery budget. Still, it's worth a try and since I've added so much to my milk knowledge in this last week, I've gotten our household down to 1/2 gallon
of milk/day....that is a real woo-hoo!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2006, 03:14:09 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: annafogg1 on August 03, 2006, 12:53:43 PM

Well, I am going to try this today, HB, restrict them to water and occasional popsicle and do a 2 week trial.

Good luck. Wink

I hope it works for you. I was so relieved when it worked for us.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2006, 04:42:02 PM » by 4my3rascals

Quote from: patti on August 03, 2006, 05:42:30 AM

. We really don't want to put him through the cytoscopy that a doctor would want to do Patti

Our daughter at the age of 6, saw a urologist. The first test only involved an ultrasound. She was required to empty her bladder, have an ultrasound to determine size. Drink several glasses of water and/or juice. Then have another ultrasound to determine size. Then empty again and have one final ultrasound. The results were to make sure she was completely emptying and the bladder was expanding. The procedure was not invasive, only time consuming.

The second step was the cytoscopy, which we will not do again under the same circumstances. We learned her bladder was small, but filled and emptied properly fromt he ultrasound. The cytoscopy only told us there were no kinks in the uretha. Over time she should become dry through the night.

We explained to her that her bladder was like a small tight balloon, that it would eventually grow to match her size (she is tall and slender). We put pull-ups on her because she hated to wake up in the middle of the night wet.

Just 10 days ago, we removed homo./past. milk from her diet. The results are wet 3 nights, dry 7 nights (including 5 nights in a row). Two days ago we allowed past. goat's milk for breakfast only. She has cont. to be dry. Starting tomorrow we are switching to raw goat's milk for breakfast only.

She has decided when she gets to 10 nights in a row she is going to quit using pullups. And at the age of 7, if she has an accident, then I plan to show her how to wash her own bedding, not making a big deal about the incident. She only misses ice cream, but we are working on that as well.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2006, 04:47:08 PM » by 4my3rascals

One other thing...the time frame we were told to use for no fluids is 2 hours before bed, with only a small drink of water after brushing the teeth. And, I have always taken her potty when I go to bed which is 2 1/2 hours after she goes to bed. Until I eliminated the milk, this did not work. But combined with the milk elimination, it is working.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2006, 10:04:25 AM » by robnruth

This has been helpgul for me to read all of your responses and suggestions. My son is 6. We use a pee sensor for him and it has helped a lot, but not completely eliminated the problem. He tends to leak a little during the day as well. I'll definitely try the herbal mineral tincture as well as the cornsilk, etc. and possibly take him to a chiropractor. We don't drink milk or soda, so that's not a factor in this case. He's different alltogether than the rest of my kids. He's got an auditory integration issue, which means certain frequencies that normal hearers block out and ignore, his brain is very distracted by. And if any of them are going to have allergies, it'll be him. Hopefully herbs and not getting him immunized have helped prevent or minimize that for him. Oh, and I did try the homeopathic bet-wetting tabs a while back, but they didn't seem to solve his problem. It all depends on the cause as to what solution will work.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2006, 06:45:38 PM » by Kitty

A couple of thoughts to join the mix. Wink

Our 4 1/2 yr. old boy started wetting the bed again recently, in conjunction w/ some very challenging behavior after being sick w/ some stomach virus. If we didn't know better, we'd suspect some trauma/abuse...we wonder about starting raw milk...people mention that milk may be a contributing factor--does this include raw milk, too?

Our chiropractor saw him today and said that his sacrum was only a bit out of alignment...or whatever bone can affect the nerve for bladder functioning. That had worked w/ our oldest.

He's also giving up naps, so he's sleeping pretty hard. No juice in the house, really.

Glad for all of these experiences and theories!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2006, 07:17:53 PM » by 3boysmyjoys

We've just started the yeast-free cleanse and my threeyob has woken up dry for the last four nights!

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2006, 03:24:24 PM » by floydian

The person who wrote Toilet Training in Less Than a Day also wrote a book for nighttime training. ( Sorry, don't remember the name of it.) He used it for teens and adults who were mentally retarded and had much success and tried it on children.
We tried it for our 6 year old boy, but it didn't work for us. It did work for a friend of mine with her daughter. When our 6 yr old boy turned 8, he just quit wetting the bed. One night he was wetting, and then it just stopped. We did nothing different.
We had had great success with the Training in a Day method with our first two and decided to try his book on nighttime training. Like I said, it didn't help us, but it did help a good friend.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2006, 05:13:21 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: Pennie on August 06, 2006, 03:35:59 PM

I guess our dry night was a fluke. Tongue

Oh, well....some day he will grow out of it.........

If it's at all behavior (habit) related then you might sharing his successes with him. I think this will help. Every morning my daughter wakes up dry we make a very big deal out of it. Hers is diet related (I think), but habits are hard to break even when there is a trigger. Praise and celebration on a task accomplished always helps to keep the bed dry after we have a slip up. Don't give up hope yet. Wink

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2006, 07:10:55 PM » by naelund

My 5 year old is still wearing pull-ups at night. We've tried rewarding him with stickers everytime he gets up at night and/or his pull-ups are dry in the morning. We've told him that if he has dry pull-ups for 7 days in a row, he'll get a toy that he's already picked out. We've also tried waking him up at night and helping him. That is difficult since he pretty much stays asleep and we practically have to carry him. We've tried letting him wet the bed every night but that hasn't made him wake up at all. Maybe he's just not ready.

Him and my younger daughter who's almost three are both in pull-ups at night. We've even tried turning it into a competition between them. We're not worked up about this, we've just run out of ideas. Any suggestions?

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2006, 08:18:31 PM » by naelund

Thanks so much! I didn't bother searching first. I read through the thread and found some great ideas to try.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2006, 08:31:32 PM » by naelund

I'm definitely going to try the chiropractor and maybe the tummy tuneup for my kids. We don't drink milk (just as a treat) or much juice. But maybe if I cut them out altogether, it'll help. Doesn't hurt to try.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2006, 07:46:59 AM » by lovingmomof2

I am not going through this with my children, yet. I am the oldest of 10 and We had our share of bedwetters. The pediatrician told us that sometimes the part of the brain that lets you know you need to go when you are asleep isn't always developed all the way. We did the usual no drinks before bed. We tried not to make a big deal of them wetting because we knew they didn't like it and couldn't help it. One of brothers, eight just stopped wetting the bed about 4 months ago. He had been using pull-ups, at night only and ran out while Mom was here with me. She told him to try it for a few nights and she would get some when she got home. No more wet nights. We figure he got used to the pull-ups, but when they were gone he knew and everthing worked out. We had tried taking him off them before but it didn't work. I guess the timing was right. Not all of my brothers and sisters were bedwetters and some were worse than others. Just do what you think is best. Remember you are the only one that truly knows your child.

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2006, 08:21:09 AM » by Mama Sita

Oh yes, we went thru this with most all of our kids. Only one trained himself to be dry thru the night by the age of 18 months. The rest all wet until the age of 6,7 and even 8 years old. My daughter was the worst, and believe me, we tried everything. Then we got the 'pee machine.' Haha That's what we call it. She slept so hard at night, relaxed so completely, that she just lost all bladder control. That little pee machine did the trick! It sounds off this irritating little noise when it senses moisture and doesn't go off until you dry it off. She was in such a dead sleep that she didn't hear it at first, but mom and dad sure did...upstairs. After about a week, she recognized the sound and started getting up on her own, to our relief.

I think we used that pee machine about one month and that was it. She was happily waking up dry on her own.

BTW, we found it on eBay. About 20 bucks or so, well worth it considering the price of pull-ups.

Mama Sita

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Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2006, 01:30:36 PM » by healthyinOhio

Just wanted to list something that I noticed in my son. He is almost five and still wets the bed at night. Okay, wet was an understatement. He "soaks" the bed. Wink

Yet, two weeks ago, we purchased some "good" milk for the first time. The whole week he soaked the bed every night EXCEPT the two nights that he had a glass of "good" milk before bed. Hmmmmm? Something to consider. I am going to look into it this week when we get some more and will see if it works again.

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