Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #150 on: July 24, 2008, 12:15:27 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Go for it! But don't expect a Grandma to be willing to let a baby cry

You may want to tackle it before she comes if you can, as that could make it worse...unless she's really committed to helping you do this too.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #151 on: November 28, 2008, 02:36:08 PM » by Jemima

Can someone who's read the book, tell me what the "secret" to "Babywise" is? I was trying to find some info on it online, but couldn't find much that actually explained the method.

Lots have referred to it here... and I've got the idea it's a "eat, play, sleep" routine... What about nights? I'd like to read the book, but unfortunately won't be able to get access to a library for a while.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #152 on: November 28, 2008, 05:29:46 PM » by kcb

The "Baby Wise" method is an intro to putting your baby on a schedule. It's eat/play/sleep, like you mentioned, except without the "play" at night. They start on a 2 1/2 hour schedule for newborns (longer at night) and work up to a four hour schedule as the baby grows, dropping feedings in a natural progression. There is some info on how to breastfeed, how to soothe, sample schedules, monitoring healthy growth, etc. Initially, the baby naps about half of the cycle time. So for a 3 hour schedule, you could expect a feeding (40 min?), a short wake time (50 min?), and a 1 1/2 hour nap. By 6mo, the baby is on a breakfast/lunch/dinner/bedtime-snack feeding schedule, with 2 naps.

This book helped me a lot, but I have a couple points to add:
1. My milk supply needed more stimulation than just 4x per day. I had to keep one middle-of-the-night feeding to keep my milk going. I did best on 6x per day.
2. As I had more babies, I became more flexible than Baby Wise teaches. It seems too regimented for me, but it's a good place to start.
3. Some infants don't schedule well until 6 or 8 weeks old. You can still do Baby Wise, but with a floating schedule instead of by the clock.

Is that enough info? Post again if you have specific questions!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #153 on: November 28, 2008, 11:33:33 PM » by hi_itsgwen

I second everything that kcb said about starting there and becoming more flexible as I went along. I find that my kids need more sleep and food during growth spurts, teething, and illnesses...so flexibillity is a good thing. But that basic outline of feeding right after they wake up, and putting them down for a nap as soon as they show the first sign of being tired has worked like a charm.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2009, 05:04:02 AM » by westernskys

Please help me with my 7-month-old! She was waking every 1-2 hours at night, and because of my dh's heavy work schedule, I was going in at the 1st peep to keep her quiet. So now she thinks if she wakes at night she either has to eat or get her NUK replaced. i have been putting her down in her crib w/out the NUK this week, and she does pretty good at naptimes; but at night she will wake around 11 and agian at 2 and will cry off/on for 1 1/2 to 2 hours. I usually feed her at one of the times, but she is quit healthy and gaining fine, and I just think she could go 6-7 hrs at least w/out being fed. My other 3 did - but then, they were Babywise babies! Cheesy

To summarize:
~She breastfeeds 5 times during the day
~She taks 2 naps that are 1-1 1/2 hrs, + one 45-min nap in afternoon.
~She eats solids 2-3 times per day
~ her bedtime is between 7-7:30 pm
~she gets up at 6:30 am
~she wakes @ 10-11pm, and 2-3 am
Is this too much sleep? she goes to sleep sooo much better if I put her down before she gets too sleepy.
And is it possible to feed them once during the night and yet not train them to eat at every brief awakening?I'm sure this question is on here somewhere...but I'm too tired to look. Sad

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2009, 10:09:32 AM » by Gigi

Hey westernskys,

By 6 months, my little one was down to two 1.5-2 hour naps in the day, bedtime around 8:00, up around 6:30-7:00. So, compared to mine, she could be getting a little more sleep during the day than she needs. But comparisons are not always a good idea! Who knows.

I wonder if the problem is partly her wanting more attention from you in the night (you've probably trained her in this if you've been going to her at the first peep) than is necessary combined with possibly a bit too much daytime sleep?

HTH

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2009, 01:35:58 PM » by westernskys

Quote from: Gigi on April 11, 2009, 10:09:32 AM

I wonder if the problem is partly her wanting more attention from you in the night (you've probably trained her in this if you've been going to her at the first peep) than is necessary combined with possibly a bit too much daytime sleep?

HTH

Yes - I was wondering the same thing...I know I trained her to want to nurse at night, but it seemed like she just wasn't tired enough at 2am, and so she would off/on wail , for 1-2 hours, till she got tired again. Last night I stuck it out, and she fell asleep at 3:45am, then woke at 5am, and I fed her then, and laid her back down. Today I think she is only going to get 2 naps, because of her later wake-time. Hopefully that will help.
Thanks for your own experience. Thats my favorite kind of advice! Cheesy

Its been four years since my last, and I just forget at what age they can drop that third catnap. I usually err on the side of too much sleep, probably! Undecided

Anyways, thanks alot, Gigi!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2009, 01:58:46 PM » by WellTellMommy

I found that when I pushed my little ones to stay awake longer than usual they slept longer through the night and when I knew they were not (too) wet, or (too) hungry I pushed their limits and with a few crying nights most of them began sleeping through the night by 6mo, it was hard on Daddy to hear them cry the first two nights but after that they pretty much just slept through.
Some of mine did this, some required more, If I knew then what I know now, Roll Eyes

I could have saved a lot of belly aches and lost sleep. Cry

You'll get it, some times they loose track what schedule they are to be on and we just need to remind them. Cheesy

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2009, 02:42:07 PM » by nomadicjcfollower

Even though these posts are older, I am just so glad to see that I am not the only one with a waco kid. My seven month old just can't seem to make it through the night without 2 feeds. I keep thinking he should be able to sleep at least a good 8 hrs or so by now, but so far nothing I've tried works. And people keep telling me to let him cry it out. That always seems to be the last resort. I've tried that too and nothing changes, he just keeps crying, so I don't think that works either. My mom keeps telling me that one day all his persistance will be used for good.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2009, 09:12:42 PM » by Mamatoto

"Most babies awaken two to three times a night up to six months and once or twice a night up to one year; some awaken once a night from one to two years old." - The No-Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley. I highly recommend this book, which among other things educates readers about basic sleep facts, debunks common baby sleep myths, and offers a variety of "gently ways to help your baby sleep through the night."

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #160 on: May 02, 2009, 07:05:30 PM » by nomadicjcfollower

Wow! It sounds like our babies were cut out of the same mold! My 7 1/2 month old son does pretty much exactly what yours does. I have been wondering the same thing myself, how do I let him eat just once at night and not every time he wakes, I've usually given in and go ahead and feed because I don't want to loose so much sleep (i am a really light sleeper). This is my first though, so I don't know how you're doing it with other kids! Let me know how things are going with you. I would love to keep in touch and bounce ideas off each other. nomadicjcfollower@yahoo.com

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #161 on: May 03, 2009, 09:55:38 AM » by purewellspring

Our 10 month old has been waken every hour or two for months, due to lack of routine and then bad habits. About two weeks ago, we finally started having daddy care for her during her night wakings, with me nursing her every three hours (at first)...in less than two weeks she's now been waking more like every four hours, and sleeping through in between (although we're all sick right now, so last night doesn't count!

). So, for what it's worth, bringing daddy into the mix was a HUGE help for us! This last week I also moved out of the room for a little while (she sleeps in our room with us still) and that has helped me get just a little more sleep, since I don't tend to hear her until she's REALLY crying.

HTH!! This sleep thing can be sooo tricky!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #162 on: May 03, 2009, 02:48:03 PM » by AndysJess

One thing we have done with ours is to put a fan in our room. If we are trying to train to go for longer periods without nursing at night, we would turn our fan on so the sound of their crying was muffled a little. We could still hear if they got frantic, but most of the time it was just a little wail that seemed to go on forever. Usually, I fall back asleep. Our pediatrician always said benign neglect was the best way to train a baby to sleep through the night...lol

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #163 on: May 04, 2009, 11:05:12 AM » by mommyjen

We don't let our babies cry it out. Fuss, yes. Protest, yes. Cry for long periods of time, no.

There are several ways I have got my baby to sleep through, usually due to early pregnancy. We did a crib with the first (after a few months) and it looked something like this. Baby woke, worked up to a cry, I went and got baby and rocked him instead of nursing. He screamed and wanted to nurse, but I just let him cry in my arms back to sleep or till settled down and then layed him in his crib. This happened a few consecutive nights and then he started sleeping through the night.

Our three babies thereafter we chose to sleep with our baby from the beginning. Here's how that goes. Baby wakes, works up to cry, I wake my husband, he takes baby and offers water, baby screams and is really upset because he wants to nurse as usual, baby calms down or falls asleep in his arms, we all go back to bed in our bed. This lasts a few nights too. Works every time. At some point, we move our baby from our bed before the next comes. The Sears have dubbed this Crying in Arms, and we prefer to take this Gentle approach.

Now there are times when baby wakes at night and wants to party, and this starts much earlier on than weaning through the night for us. This is handled with firm No usually while I put baby back on his tummy and cover him up, but if necessary 1 spat on the leg. Works every time. No more partying at night time. My children are allowed to nurse, but then must go back to bed. I make sure their tummies are full during the day though, so they are not up all night needing to nurse either.

Don't let anyone convince you that habits can't be broken or you are developing "bad" habits, if you allow something you don't see happeneing long term. We nurse our babies, don't we? Well, I don't see me nursiing my 10 yr. old. I put my babies in diapers, right? Some cultures do not. Am I training them to go in a diaper. Well, yes. Will they potty train just fine in the future. Well, yes. Age appropriate behavior is fine, if it's fine with you.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #164 on: September 20, 2009, 09:40:35 PM » by H0MEFree

How about if they just turned 1 yr old and still nurse 3 times a night?

I have never had this issue with my other children as babies!
This guy does not use bottles or tippys either yet- he can't seem to figure it out I think. He gives up even if there is no valve and it flows freely.

I nurse him, and put him right back in his playpen which is still in the room with us. If I try to cut his feeding short (to wean him or train him for nighttime) he cries adamantly to finish.
He also uses a pacifier.

Sleeping 5 hours straight seems like a fantasy to me at this point! How did I ever get my other children to do this? Guess this one really likes mama milk!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #165 on: September 20, 2009, 10:06:14 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Nursing is a comfort thing for him, and his nightime snacks are more than likely habit...like the passie. Mine takes a passie, and has a lamb that she HAS to sleep with too. So I'm not knocking nightime habits. It's very difficult for them to change their habit if it's always been this way. The longer you let this continue, the harder it will be for him to break the habit.

You may have to physically put him into another room at night and send dh in to put him back down when he wakes up to eat. Even if he's truly hungry, this too is habit, and it's not natural for your body to get hungry in the night. He'll make up his calorie needs the next day, and get plenty of Mama snuggles then.

I don't do well without a long nightime stretch, so I would do what it takes to get this little guy down for the whole night. It may take a week, but in the end, it will be better for you and for him to get a full nights sleep, IMO.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2009, 08:55:53 PM » by mommyjen

Quote from: hi_itsgwen on September 20, 2009, 10:06:14 PM

Nursing is a comfort thing for him, and his nightime snacks are more than likely habit...like the passie. Mine takes a passie, and has a lamb that she HAS to sleep with too. So I'm not knocking nightime habits. It's very difficult for them to change their habit if it's always been this way. The longer you let this continue, the harder it will be for him to break the habit.

You may have to physically put him into another room at night and send dh in to put him back down when he wakes up to eat. Even if he's truly hungry, this too is habit, and it's not natural for your body to get hungry in the night. He'll make up his calorie needs the next day, and get plenty of Mama snuggles then.

I don't do well without a long nightime stretch, so I would do what it takes to get this little guy down for the whole night. It may take a week, but in the end, it will be better for you and for him to get a full nights sleep, IMO.

Gwen, I'm sorry but this made me laugh and go Huh

IMO, paci's and stuffed animals are not natural, but MOM'S nipple/breast and snuggling with MOM is!

HOMEFree, my advice is a few posts above and this has worked well for our family!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2009, 09:11:08 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Quote from: mommyjen on September 21, 2009, 08:55:53 PM

Quote from: hi_itsgwen on September 20, 2009, 10:06:14 PM

Gwen, I'm sorry but this made me laugh and go Huh

IMO, paci's and stuffed animals are not natural, but MOM'S nipple/breast and snuggling with MOM is!

HOMEFree, my advice is a few posts above and this has worked well for our family!

To each her own. My baby loves her lamby and her passie, and I love my sleep. She had tons of natural snuggly, nursie time during the day, but the milk bar closes at 11 when she started sleeping through the night. Which, IMO, is natural and healthy for everyone involved.

ETA: I am not, nor have I ever esteemed to be voted 'most natural Mother of the Year.' Cheesy

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2009, 09:35:42 PM » by mommyjen

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #169 on: October 05, 2009, 10:38:48 PM » by H0MEFree

You ladies are great!
You are both right. He is very snuggly at night (more than my others were) and thoroughly enjoys nursing. I am not wanting to wean - just at night I am wanting to sleep through.
I have been wondering if I need to get strict and get him out of the bedroom and just deal with his broken hearted crying nightly for a while.
I really don't want to be so "mean" to have him cry it out. It breaks my heart and I just can't allow him to change from the "I want mama" cry to the "I have been abandoned!!!" cry. On the other hand I know I need to be the one in charge here and not spoil this little guy.
Guess I need to do some more thinking on what will work best for him. Undecided

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #170 on: October 05, 2009, 11:16:10 PM » by hi_itsgwen

My babies were super aware of the *smell* of Mama, so it might work better if Daddy cuddled him more in the evenings after he's been fed for the night. Also, a warm rice pack (i.e. sock with rice and a bag clip on it, warmed up) adds some weight, comfort and warmth in the bed with baby. My gassy ones really liked the warm rice pack layed across their tummy at night.

I know a lot of people reference the history of Mama sleeping with baby in bed with her, but it was also really common about 40-50 years ago that siblings slept together in one bed for warmth and snuggles. That may also be a solution, which would remove the availability of the snack bar. Wink

My 10 yo dd begs for my 18 mo dd to sleep in the same bed with her, and they do pretty well together!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #171 on: October 06, 2009, 09:08:47 AM » by ndmomof6

Quote from: hi_itsgwen on October 05, 2009, 11:16:10 PM

My 10 yo dd begs for my 18 mo dd to sleep in the same bed with her, and they do pretty well together!

Gwen, my last one is like this. So, after I have fed her at bedtime, I pass her off to daddy and he plays with/snuggles her for a while and then he rocks her til she's almost asleep and he puts her in bed.

I might have to try the warm rice pack with her. Thanks! Kiss

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #172 on: October 08, 2009, 11:13:09 AM » by nomadicjcfollower

I am desperately in need of some encouragement from other moms who have or have had high needs babies or toddlers! My son turned a year on Sept. 12th. He has pretty much never slept through the night. Right around his birthday he all the sudden slept three nights in a row all the way through, then had two bad nights then did three more good nights, so I thought, wow, he is really making some progress! Well, that was the end of that, now back to square one. I have pretty much stopped nursing him after he goes to bed for the night (around 7:30 or 8pm) till the morning, usually to feed around 6 or 7am. But he just wakes up frequently and cries hard at first and then off and on for about 2 hours. I go in and check him after he's cried about 15 min, because sometimes he is wet and soaked through his clothes, then I hold him a little while maybe offer a drink, which he refuses. Then put him back to bed and he eventually falls asleep and is generally happy in the day as long as he naps well and hasn't had too much over-stimulation. But last night, he was pretty much awake from 1am to 6am some crying, some just talking. I finally nursed him at 5am and he slept with me till 10am.

I am not so much looking for advice as I just want to hear some real life stories from other moms. If you have advice, I'd be happy to hear it, but I just feel like I've already tried everything.Thanks!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #173 on: October 08, 2009, 11:48:46 AM » by SarahLaRae

None of my children ever slept through the night until after they were weaned. They always ate ever 2-4 hours during the night and I was okay with that because I'd just sleep while they nursed. I could be totally off on this, but I'm going to say it any way, but it sounds like he's not ready for you to wean him. Every baby has a different time table as to when they are ready. My first two weaned at about 1 year, and my last at about 15 months. When I did start weaning, the first feedings to go were during the day time. The last feedings to go were the night time ones.
I wish you luck! And lots of wisdom!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #174 on: October 08, 2009, 01:00:27 PM » by nomadicjcfollower

hmm, that could be, but he is no longer just going right back to sleep after a night feeding like he used to. Do you think maybe it is because I have switched back and forth some between feeding him at night and not? How did you know yours were ready to wean at night?

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #175 on: October 08, 2009, 01:41:29 PM » by SarahLaRae

When they were ready at night, they just stopped. It happened naturally, I didn't force it (except for one, but that is a different story). That makes it more peaceful for Mom and baby in my opinion. Now if baby was still nursing at two, I might say something different, but that didn't happen to me. Wink

I know that there comes a point when all you want is to not have a baby hanging from your breast all the time, but if no one is sleeping, then maybe you should push the weaning back a month or so. This is all just my opinion. Grin

Yes, going back and forth could cause some problems. Your messing with his internal "schedule" . It's kind of like when you go on a trip, and the baby doesn't sleep well in different surroundings. He is used to nursing at night.

Just another thought, is it possible that he has some new teeth coming in?

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #176 on: October 08, 2009, 01:47:09 PM » by SarahLaRae

Also, have you looked at this thread yet?

Weaning: When & How to Stop Breastfeeding
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15775.0.html

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #177 on: October 08, 2009, 03:53:56 PM » by seekingtruth

hmmm....a couple of random thoughts Wink

It must be stressful to have your baby awake so much at night still. Is he sleeping too long during the day? Is his room free from any electronic devices- baby monitors, etc?

Something to try that may help. We are exposed to an ever growing amount of Elecromagnetic chaos and other wireless chaos and radiation. These things can have a negative effect on our bodies. It is important to have a way to drain these negative energies out of our bodies.

For this reason it is important to "ground" or connect with the earth. Ever notice how deeply you sleep after a day spent outside at the beach, the park, etc? I believe this is in part because we have connected with the earth.

Many natural healers recommend "barefooting" or connecting with the earth for health and well being. Many have found that it is a great cure for insomnia.

So you could try taking your baby outside and letting him connect with the earth for at least 15 minutes a day and see what kind of an impact this has on his sleep patterns.

Also make sure that wherever he sleeps is completely dark.

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #178 on: October 08, 2009, 08:42:24 PM » by sarajane

Oh I know how that is. I have had three children. My first girl nursed every two hours day and night for the first six months of life. She didn't like solid food much at all until one year four months old. I had her in my bed until she was about 18 months old and I was pregnant so started teaching her to sleep in her own bed. She woke up to nurse a lot until then. I still nursed her to sleep until about 20 months where she started going to bed with a drink from a cup and it left by her bed in case she got thirsty.

DD number two was almost the same way except harder to teach to sleep in her own bed. She is an early riser now at age two and I am so not! She was more into solid food at age one but didn't wean until my third child was born.

He is 11 months old and still nurses to sleep and wakes to nurse 1 to 3 times a night. He likes to get up early and only eats a little bit of baby food every day. Had food allergies and so I had to go on a special diet. He has been my best sleeper seeing as he will actually sleep in a bed by himself and in the car.

So, I hear ya. It was worth it though it was very, very difficult at times. Now that he is about to be one, DD2 is getting to be so much like a kid instead of a baby/toddler and DD1 is with Jesus I know it is worth all the time and lack of sleep.

So, hang in there! I am right there with you yet. My little guy....I can only hope he will go to sleep on his own easier than the girls did. I had to teach them to do it. But, I see him being easier, he likes to sleep alone or with me or where ever. Girls would only sleep at home, not in the car, only with me, only nursing...a lot!

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Re: Training Infants to Sleep Through the Night
« Reply #179 on: October 08, 2009, 08:57:24 PM » by tynnille

I second the looking in the mouth for new teeth coming. A year is usually when they get a set of molars. And this always makes a child, that may have been sleeping fine, start being crabby again and have restless sleep.
Also, if you are not ready to wean at night, then don't, The on again off again does not help anyone. I definately know this from experience (having trained 5 to sleep through the night and second guessing my decisions). I, like SarahLaRae, usually stop feeding at night around 12-15 months. But when weaning begins I start with the night time feeding. But I can see the benefit to doing the opposite. The fact is, I think the night time nursing is the hardest to take away. So you have to be willing to see it through once you start...but if you start and realize you aren't ready, then try again in a month or so. It can be exhaustign to get them to sleep through. It took my most recent baby about a solid month to get used to sleeping in the room with her brothers at not by my side. So be patient. He will eventually get it. The more consistent you are, the quicker it happens.
Hope this helps.
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