Taking Care of Curly Hair

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Taking Care of Curly Hair
« on: May 19, 2006, 01:23:24 PM » by Julie G

I don't have a recipe for homemade gel....however....your hair sounds like mine. I got a book from the library, (at someone else's suggestion on this website) Curly Girl by Lorraine Massey. My hair is totally different. My gel usage has cut in half and my curls look so much better, (no more frizz - curlier).

Here is a website to check out too....it's based on the book and they kinda give you an idea of what's in the book....

http://www.ylcf.org/gotcurl/

If nothing else, maybe it will help you to cut back on your gel.

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2006, 05:11:41 PM » by mexmarr

I just ordered that book from our library loan system (In a town of 500, the library doesn't many options, but the have a trade system with other librarys). I can't wait to get it. I have heard only good about it.

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2006, 06:14:38 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: Julie G on May 19, 2006, 01:23:24 PM

Julie...I'm so glad to hear that the Curly Girl stuff helped you...I was wondering if it did!

If any of you want even more suggestions regarding the Curly Girl "method" (and I might've mentioned this already in my other post), there is a Curly Girl LiveJournal community at http://community.livejournal.com/curlygirls/ . Some of the posts aren't view-able if you aren't a member of the community, but there's still lots of helpful stuff there, especially under the "Favorite Curly posts" link at the top of the page. And also...don't be discouraged if your frizzies, etc. don't go away as soon as you start the Curly Girl "method", I've been doing it for about six months now and my hair just keeps getting better and better!

This doesn't address the homemade gel thing (I actually was going to ask something similar...if anyone knew of any natural hair gels?)...but something that I've found to be helpful in combatting the frizzies is hair cholesterol. You can find it at some Wal-Marts, in the ethnic hair section. Works really well...though it isn't "natural" and I hope to someday find something similar that is...but until then, this works really well!

I could go on and on about the Curly Girl stuff since it has changed my hair for the better SO much...but I'll stop now! Mexmarr...let us know if the book helps you!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2006, 06:35:01 PM » by dara

Yeah, I just leave it in like leave in conditioner. It is thick, so I have to be careful not to let it blob (I spread it all over my hands) or that part of my hair looks greasy... Also, you can do a warm olive oil treatment by putting warm olive oil all over your hair about 1/2 hour before washing it, and wraping it in a warm towel to help it soak in... wash as usual... while you're here, I am trying to figure out the curly hair thing... if you don't use shampoo anymore, doesn't your hair look greasy? I have curls too, but really fight the frizz... can you describe what you do and don't do? Thanks.

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2006, 08:11:09 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: dara on May 19, 2006, 06:35:01 PM

I'll have to try that avocado stuff sometime...though you're right, it IS quite pricey (all Burt's Bees stuff is...but it's good stuff!) so that might not work too well in the long run!

Sure...I love to talk about the Curly Girl (CG) "method" since it worked so incredibly well for me! Until about six months ago, my hair was kind of wavy, very fly-away, frizzy without being curly, and I pretty much did NOT like my hair. But then I started the CG method and started to get curls (something I've ALWAYS wanted!) and it's just gotten better ever since!

As for greasiness...for me, during the first couple of days going without shampooing, my hair was a little greasy, but it wasn't too bad...probably just my scalp adjusting to it all. But after that, I haven't had a problem with greasiness (sp?) at all...though I never had a huge problem with it before, I would say that now my hair is less greasy than it was when I was shampooing it! I would guess that it's similar to what people say that over-washing your face can produce more pimples since the skin has to over-compensate for all the natural oil that's being washed out...maybe it's like that with hair too?! But that's just my theory...

First off, let me clarify that not shampooing DOES NOT mean not washing! Whenever people ask me why my hair is curly now and I tell them it's because I've stopped shampooing it...many times they get a that's-disgusting-but-I'm-trying-not-to-show-it look on their face and ask something along the lines of "So you don't wash your hair?" That's not the case at all! I DO "wash" my hair, usually every other day...sometimes getting it wet every morning (to help "re-set" the curls from being slept on...though I don't do this every day, especially if I'm planning on wearing my hair up that day). My normal hair shower routine consists of: wet my hair with warm water, scrub my scalp all over with my fingers and Aussie Moist Conditioner, rinse the Aussie stuff out with warm water, liberally slather my hair with TRESemme Vitamin E & Aloe Colour Revitalize Condtioner (I don't have coloured hair, but supposedly that's TRESemme's highest moisture conditioner). Since I don't ever brush my hair either, as I put in the TRESemme conditioner, I run my fingers through my hair, getting all the tangles out...I usually come away with a handful of hair, but that's fine...I've heard that it's normal to lose up to 100 hairs a day. After all the tangles are out, I pile my hair on top of my head to let the conditioner soak in and continue with the rest of my shower. Right before I step out of the shower, I turn the water to cool, and rinse out only a little bit of the conditioner, letting the water mostly hit just my scalp, and some of it runs to the ends. After that, I towel dry my hair by scrunching, scrunch in a bit of Lustrasilk Aloe Vera Cholesterol and scrunch with gel. I'm currently using up a bottle of TRESemme Smooth De-Frizzing Moisture Gel, but don't like it because I usually end up with "crunchy" curls. A couple days ago I discovered Aussie Dual Personality 2-in-1 Spray Gel/Leave-in Conditioner and love it! According to the Curly Girl book...you should never blow dry your hair and always let it air dry...but I've started to use a diffuser with the low/warm setting on my hair dryer. I've only done this once thus far (bought the diffuser/dryer a couple days ago) and was amazed at how much it cut down on my frizzies! I let it partially air dry and then finished with the diffuser. At the LiveJournal community I mentioned in the other post, I asked about this and supposedly it's okay to use a diffuser, you just want to make sure it doesn't get too hot and dry out your hair...thus losing curl.

Okay, sorry...that was QUITE long and probably much more info than you wanted! You might've already looked at them...but I would really recommend the www.ylcf.org/gotcurl site and the http://community.livejournal.com/curlygirls/ LJ community...lots of info in both those places! And if you have any more questions...as you can see, I'd be happy to answer them!

And if this is going to continue along the lines of curly hair (which would be great...hopefully more people with curly hair could give advice)...maybe we should split the topic...anybody know how to do that? Can you help us, healthybratt?! Thanks!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2006, 08:18:20 PM » by LilyEilis

So, healthybratt...how DO you split a topic like this one that evolved from gel to curly hair?

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 08:45:53 PM » by LilyEilis

[I forgot to add this to my LONG post about curly hair and no shampoo...]

Every week or so, I add some apple cider vinegar to the Aussie conditioner (the first conditioner) and really scrub my scalp good (sometimes adding a little water helps to get a better consistency) and rinse completely out...continue as normal. Or, instead of that (though I like the vinegar best), sometimes I dissolve some baking soda in water and pour that over my head after rinsing out the first conditioner...let it sit a couple minutes and rinse VERY well. Both of these things have really helped with build-up that happens from regularly not rinsing the conditioner out completely and using gel on a regular basis. Doing them too often can dry your hair out, so I do one or the other (though most usually the vinegar one) once every week or two...and my hair is squeaky clean afterwards! Anyway...just thought I'd add that...

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 10:25:34 PM » by Julie G

I love the curly girl method! I'm so glad you suggested it! I guess I've been using it for about 3 weeks. I really do need a trim though and am scared to try and find someone who will cut my hair dry, (working with my curls).

I just wanted to mention that my scalp is not at all oily either. I stopped shampoo right away so for 3 weeks I've been shampoo-free. I've done some deep conditioning treatments, (recipes in book) and cannot rave enough about the results. The one I've used weekly is

1 part olive oil
1 part conditioner
several drops of essential oils

Mix well, apply to wet hair, combing through gently until your head is saturated. Scrunch dry, use clips to lift and separate cures as you would when styling. Leave in overnight or for several hours during the day. Rinse thoroughly with a combination of conditioner mixed with lemon juice & vinegar.

I'd like to try more of the recipes in the book, I've been so pleased with the results.

One thing also, in the book the author mentions an Aloe Vera Juice treatment for your scalp and mentions not rinsing it out completely, for it to double as a gel...I've never tried this, but I would think this is also an option for a completely natural gel.

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2006, 10:27:14 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: LilyEilis on May 19, 2006, 08:18:20 PM

So, healthybratt...how DO you split a topic like this one that evolved from gel to curly hair?

You either start your own from scratch or you ask or wait for me to do it for you.

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2006, 11:26:05 AM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: healthybratt on May 19, 2006, 10:27:14 PM

Quote from: LilyEilis on May 19, 2006, 08:18:20 PM

So, healthybratt...how DO you split a topic like this one that evolved from gel to curly hair?

You either start your own from scratch or you ask or wait for me to do it for you.

Oh, okay...well, thanks for splitting this one! I appreciate it!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 06:14:39 PM » by mexmarr

Bump!

After two months, I finally got the book, today! I plan to start the curly girl method right away. Are those of you who started it still doing it? What are your longer term results? I was surprised to see that the vinager rinses were not part of the book. Have you found better results with the vinager rinses?

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 06:24:52 PM » by Julie G

I haven't tried the vinegar rinse so I can't attest to that however....

I've been shampoo free for quite a while. I love the results and am amazed at the amount of curl I have in my hair. I had curl before, but now it is a nicer curl, Botticelli type curls before they were just wavy zig zag type. I highly recommend the deep conditioning and lemon rinse. I haven't done one of those since my son was born and the results haven't been as nice, but still way better than when I shampooed my hair. I think you'll love what you see happen to your curly hair...I'll never shampoo again!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2006, 07:06:23 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: mexmarr on July 11, 2006, 06:14:39 PM

After two months, I finally got the book, today! I plan to start the curly girl method right away. Are those of you who started it still doing it? What are your longer term results? I was surprised to see that the vinager rinses were not part of the book. Have you found better results with the vinager rinses?

Yes...I'm very much still doing the Curly Girl "method", and, like Julie said...I never want to shampoo again! I've been doing the CG method since December 2005 and my "longer term results" are that it just kept getting better and better! Since starting, I've cut it quite a bit (which, in my opinion, was very good for my hair since it got rid of most of the icky hair from pre-CG), moved to a MUCH more humid climate, discovered hair cholesterol...and I'm sure that all had to do with the continuing improvement too. I'm still learning just exactly what my hair likes best to be its curliest...but I think that's ever changing due to climate, etc.

Yes, vinegar rinses aren't mentioned in the book...and after the first one I did, I found that it's rather drying to my hair to do it too often, so now I usually just do one after a "Love is in the Hair" treatment.

And I HIGHLY recommend the Deep-Pack Chakra treatment! I did that one a couple weeks ago and absolutely LOVED the results! Made my curls much curlier, more defined, shinier, etc...and the day after was one of the few times that I had "second day curls" nice enough to just leave loose instead of piling them up top my head. All I did was mix together an egg, some powdered milk, honey and little water and applied it to my freshly-washed (NOT shampooed!) hair. And going by my best friend's experience, I left it in all night...my head wrapped in plastic wrap and my microfiber turban (I got mine at Wal-Mart and it's great for overnight hair treatments). I was a little confused as to how much to leave in my hair (the mixture is quite watery) so I had a couple minutes of eggy/milky water running down my face and neck...not altogether a pleasant sensation! But the results were TOTALLY worth it and now I know so I can avoid that next time! With results like this, it's definitely something I would like to do on a regular basis...and I very much recommend it to other Curly Girls...

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 08:24:33 PM » by dara

Well, since talking to Lily, and reading the book, my hair is much happier, but I have to admit, I can't go without washing my hair with soap. I have wavy/Botticelli curls, and my hair will look greasy if I don't wash it every other day. I can use a Castille bar soap that I made, and that works okay if I do occ. acv rinses, and when I really want it to look good, I use a baby shampoo (admittedly with sodium myreth sulfate) mixed half and half with conditioner. I do olive oil treatments once a week or so. I plan on making myself a shampoo bar soap, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I think I'll like it.

Here's an interesting thing- my DH would have curly hair if it was long enough, and he's been losing it big time since we got married 6 years ago... since I read the book (he parused it), he has stopped using any shampoo (he had been using an all natural herbal hair regrowth shampoo) at all, and I noticed he is getting some new peachy hair. Perhaps his scalp will heal and grow new hair, who knows. Anyway...

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 09:49:54 PM » by Julie G

Quote from: dara on July 11, 2006, 08:24:33 PM

Here's an interesting thing- my DH would have curly hair if it was long enough, and he's been losing it big time since we got married 6 years ago... since I read the book (he parused it), he has stopped using any shampoo (he had been using an all natural herbal hair regrowth shampoo) at all, and I noticed he is getting some new peachy hair. Perhaps his scalp will heal and grow new hair, who knows. Anyway...

Very interesting! My husband is losing his hair as well. I don't think his hair is curly though, (he keeps it very very short) I wonder if this would work for him. In an area that is completely bald your husband has hair growing back? Hmmmm...I'll have to let hubby know. He hates that he's losing his hair, especially being so young, (33).

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2006, 08:32:27 AM » by mexmarr

Lots of very helpful info! I had already discovered that my hair didn't like to be washed too much. It tends to be very dry and strawlike when I did it too often, so..... I only washed it once a week, or at the most, twice.... Now I can do it more often, without using shampoo, and I think that my scalp will appreciate that!

Has anybody tried the brown sugar scrub? That would be the easiest to get ahold of, but seems like it would make a sticky mess.

Also, since we are not eating it, any reason why I shouldn't use bottled lemon juice? Thanks!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2006, 09:06:31 AM » by mmloper

I have tried the brown sugar scrub twice. It was not sticky at all and my hair felt great afterward. Actually, I don't have brown sugar, I use Sucanat and it worked great. Still scrubbed and exfoliated. I recommend it.
marie

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2006, 09:14:27 AM » by mexmarr

Couldn't you just use cornmill? It should scrub good. Or is there something special in the sugar that helps your scalp?

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2006, 10:44:46 AM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: mexmarr on July 12, 2006, 08:32:27 AM

Has anybody tried the brown sugar scrub? That would be the easiest to get ahold of, but seems like it would make a sticky mess.

The brown sugar scrub worked well for me...once I figured out what kind of sugar to use! You need to make sure that sugar crystal is rather large (exfoliates MUCH better!) so I would recommend white sugar (which I haven't tried, but I've heard works very well) or a larger-crystaled brown sugar (what I use...I just get the "light brown sugar" at Wal-Mart...the "dark brown sugar" seemed to have smaller crystals)...and since it was mentioned, I'm sure that sucanat would work really well too since it has larger crystals.

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Couldn't you just use cornmill? It should scrub good. Or is there something special in the sugar that helps your scalp?

I haven't tried cornmeal, but I really WOULDN'T recommend it...it seems like it would take forever to rinse out, whereas the sugar just dissolves in warm water. The book mentions using quinoa instead of brown sugar, but again, I would think that wouldn't rinse out very well.

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Also, since we are not eating it, any reason why I shouldn't use bottled lemon juice? Thanks!

I haven't ever done the Lemon Aid because I use apple cider vinegar when I use an acid on my hair...but I don't see why bottled lemon juice wouldn't work...except maybe, because it's usually more concentrated than a real lemon, you might want to dilute it...

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2006, 04:54:20 AM » by Homemaker

Hey there,
I am very new to the Curly Girl method (about three days) and have some questions. I read the book and have been following it religiously. I have wavy hair and a few questions.
1. When I get out of the shower my hair is a knotted mess. Will this always be the case? Or will it not be so tangled once I "find my inner curl?"
2. The gel gives me "Crunchy" curls. Anyway to relieve that? I want free soft bouncy waves, not knotted, tangled, waves...they LOOK nice but neither I or my husband can run our fingers through them. The Gel I'm using is Aussie's Aussome Volume Spray Gel. I looked for the Dual personality Gel/Leave in Conditioner at Wal-Mart and could not find any.
Maybe I just need to have patience and keep at it...sigh. I know the book said wavy hair takes about three weeks to be where it should be. Any other wavy girls out there? Huh

thanks!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2006, 02:24:51 PM » by LilyEilis

Well, I'm not exactly a wavy girly, I'm more curly, but I'll try to answer your questions!

1. In regards to the "knotted mess", are you combing the conditioner through your hair with your fingers whilst in the shower? I never brush my hair anymore and find this finger-combing with conditioner to be sufficient. And then, make sure you aren't too rough with your hair when drying...just scrunch gently with your towel.

2. Crunchy curls are no fun! I used to have the same problem using TRESemme Anti-Frizz Moisture Gel, and it usually got better if, after drying, I sprayed it lightly with lavendar spray and scrunched some. However (and I know if doesn't help much since you can't find it!), after finding the Aussie Dual Personality Spray Gel/Leave-in Conditioner I haven't had the crunchy curls problem at all! But maybe you can find something else that will work...something with "flexible hold" (I don't know what kind of "hold" your current gel has), sometimes I like Aussie Tizz No Frizz gel and I haven't had the crunchy problem with that. Also, make sure that you aren't using too much gel...like Gretchen at the Got Curl page says, "Using sparingly, scrunch exceedingly!" in regards to gel.

I hope this helps! If you have anymore questions...please ask!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2006, 02:08:36 PM » by Nickole

Wish I had the curly hair problem! Count yourselves blessed - I used to get spiral perms b/c I just think I look so good with curly hair, but the cost, probably not healthy, and well God made me with straight hair (actually turned a little wavy after my second child), so....But I still think curly hair is SOOOO pretty. Most people who have it don't seem to like it, and I'm thinking can I transplant it on my head then? I'll take it! Grin

Nickole

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2006, 02:29:17 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: Nickole on July 23, 2006, 02:08:36 PM

Nickole

I know what you mean, Nickole! I've always wanted curly hair and couldn't understand when people who had it didn't want it...so when I found I had curly hair, I was (and still am) so excited about it! But you know...if your hair is "a little wavy", you might want to try the Curly Girl method and you might turn out curly! My hair used to be slightly wavy, frizzy, very fly-away and I didn't really like it at all...but now I had a head of silky, shiny curls, just from following the Curly Girl method (do I sound like a commercial or what?!). So I would try it...a lot of info about the "method" can be found in this thread and the sites linked, but if you have any questions...please ask! If you try it...let us know if it works for you!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2006, 02:55:43 PM » by Nickole

ooohhh - I will I will! I'll add it to my list in front of me. Grin

Nickole

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2006, 04:13:54 PM » by Nickole

I just requested it online from my library, the Curly Girl book - I'm number 5 in line - shucks! Who knows WHEN I'll get it. Huh

Can't wait though!

Nickole

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2006, 05:17:33 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: Nickole on July 23, 2006, 04:13:54 PM

I just requested it online from my library, the Curly Girl book - I'm number 5 in line - shucks! Who knows WHEN I'll get it. Huh

Can't wait though!

Nickole

Well, that's fine...having the book isn't crucial...I personally don't like the book very much because it's very obviously "secular" (if you know what I mean), but it's nice to have for more in-depth reference and has some good hair recipes for better curls. While you're waiting for the book, I HIGHLY recommend going to www.ylcf.org/gotcurl . They have tons of info there and none of it is "objectionable" like in the book. Hope this helps...and I'd love to hear if you turn out curly!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 11:42:36 PM » by TomatoMom

Does soap bar count as shampoo? I have been using a natural soap lately and ac vinegar on occasion. thanks

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2006, 02:04:27 PM » by LilyEilis

Quote from: TomatoMom on August 10, 2006, 11:42:36 PM

Does soap bar count as shampoo? I have been using a natural soap lately and ac vinegar on occasion. thanks

Yes, I'm pretty sure that it does. The reason that shampoo isn't good for curly hair is that it dries out the hair...and I would think that bar soap would be even harsher on your hair than shampoo. Hope that helps!

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Re: Taking Care of Curly Hair
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2006, 03:41:56 PM » by StephTallent

Quote from: TomatoMom on August 10, 2006, 11:42:36 PM

Does soap bar count as shampoo? I have been using a natural soap lately and ac vinegar on occasion. thanks

It really depends on the soap. Many all natural soaps I've used have been far more gentle than the ingredients in my all natural shampoo's. Some "natural" soaps can be very harsh though. I would read through the list of ingredients to determine if it is better or worse for your hair than shampoo.

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Frizzy, curly hair
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2006, 01:17:07 AM » by Grace

I have sort of thin, VERY frizzy hair. I have tried several different mouses, and a perm. It is sort of curly. I don't care if it is straight or curly, just want to get rid of the frizz! Also, it needs to be somewhat quick! I have a 1 1/2 and a 2 1/2 year old. I am lucky to get my hair brushed some days! I is fairly long, 4 inches above my waist. Thanks!

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