What does egg allergy look like on skin?

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What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« on: June 22, 2009, 11:06:49 PM » by nadeljill

I have a 6 1/2 month old baby girl that has terrible, scaly skin. I posted on here about 6-7 weeks ago about it. Since then I gave up milk and it didn't make much difference. I am wondering what an egg allergy would look like in her skin. I don't eat tons of eggs, and I know they are in lots of things. Her skin has been better recently, but only because of the lotions that the pediatrician gave us for her skin. I also took her to a dermatologist, and he was vague about if the food allergies were the cause of the skin problems. I have not totally jumped back into drinking milk, I am still leaving it out somewhat until our next dermatologist app't. I would rather not use all of these steroid creams on her, but find the source of the skin problems. I know that my DH and older DD have excema in the skin, and the Dr's have said that's what it is, but a bad case. The dermatologist said it may be just from the family history. Any ideas would be a great help on avoiding eggs, if that is what it is. Not sure about nuts either... Hope you can understand my rambling!
Thanks! -Jill

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 11:23:40 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: nadeljill on June 22, 2009, 11:06:49 PM

Jill,

I would encourage you to stop the steroid creams asap. They are so bad for the body and will cause long term candida and leaky gut issues. Yep. Your dd's and dh have food allergies. Eczema is always caused by food allergies. The best way to find out what they are allergic to is to have the ELISA 96 food panel test. If your DH has allergies they were likely passed on to the kids. You would only know if milk is an issue if you literally cut out all dairy. That means casein, whey, cheeses, milk, etc. You can't have any if you're going to tell if that's an allergy for your dd. As far as egg, that allergy is "generally" only acquired if a child is vaccinated. That does not mean it can't happen otherwise, but that is usually the case. We have egg allergies in this house. If you wonder, you can cut all eggs (yep, that means reading labels), and use duck eggs or just not use any type of eggs. The last common allergen is gluten. I would recommend you completely pull each one of these one at a time for at least 30 days. You can treat the eczema with either Burts Bees Banana Hand Cream or Burts Bees Coconut Foot Cream. My DS says the banana doesn't sting like the coconut does, but every child is different.

Outside of the elimination diet I highly recommend having the ELISA test and skip going to the derms and peds. They're usually pretty clueless and will only throw drugs at you. Use that money to get the blood test done. At least it will tell you something concrete that the doctors won't tell you. The ELISA test is $169 if you don't have insurance. Your doctor can order it but the blood has to be sent to US Bio Tek Labs in Seattle, WA.

hth

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 09:51:36 PM » by purewellspring

FWIW, I noticed a difference MUCH faster when cutting out eggs than anything else. My dd doesn't look like she has skin problems, but has always been itchy. She then had a bad reaction to egg YOLK, of all things, and it really confused me. A midwife friend commented that eczema can be eggs, so I decided to try cutting them out of my own diet for a little while, and her itching was significantly lessened in just a few days...and the one patch of eczema she has (on her sucking thumb

) was almost, but not quite, gone. So just to encourage you, in the interim it might be worth cutting it out and just seeing if that makes a difference. I found it much easier to cut out eggs than dairy, too.

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 11:27:41 PM » by nadeljill

Thank you for your encouragement! I was totally dairy free, I didn't make that clear. I did avoid all milk, cream, yogurt, whey, caseins, etc., Her sucking thumb is still bad, and her cradle cap has not cleared up totally either. It is better, though. How long will it take eggs to get out of my system?
Thanks!
Jill

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 02:35:10 AM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: nadeljill on June 23, 2009, 11:27:41 PM

Jill,

It generally takes 30 days for all of a food's proteins/enzymes to leave a person's body. But you should notice a difference in term so of skin comfort/rashes within a week. It will begin getting better but likely won't totally go away until the egg is completely out of your body.

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 09:00:29 AM » by sarajane

I have the same thing with my baby boy. He had bad eczema so I went on an elimination diet. I cut out the top eight allergens so I could figure out what he is allergic to. No dairy, eggs, soy, wheat (I went ahead and cut out the gluten too), fish, shellfish, corn, or nuts of any kind.

I am now pretty sure he is allergic to dairy and sadly avocados. The first week I pretty much did total elimination, meaning I only ate turkey, rice (to include rice milk and noodles), squash, and pears or apples. Boring but he showed great improvement within only a few days. It can take many weeks before you will get to baseline and be totally symptom free. Then that is when you can add things back in one at a time for four days and if no symptoms you are good on that food. If symptoms return then he is probably allergic. What I do is if a food makes his symptoms come back I cut it out again and when/if symtoms leave again, I try it again just to make sure that food was the cause of the reaction.

It is a lot of work and can be very hard but it has been so worth it. I am still off of most of these foods at this time. He was so miserable before this diet and to see him better is like a miracle. His skin is getting so smooth for the first time. I would use the over the counter steroid creams only when he was miserable with itching, I mean he was very miserable. It was necessary to get him to sleep and stop scratching all over and making himself bleed. I wouldn't bother with prescription strength unless the over the counter cortizone creams don't work. The Dr. Sears website helped me figure out my topical regimen for him.

Now I pretty much only have to use a lotion on his skin, he is that much better, even with the small flare ups from testing foods his skin is still better. I'm testing out corn right now, keeping my fingers crossed! I really want to eat corn products!

Oh, and beware of things hidden in packaged food. Check the labels on your vitamins too, for example I can't take my Supermom or my probiotic right now.

One thing that has saved me on this is Enjoy Life brand products, totally allergen free cookies are my fave. (found at Amazon.com or Whole Foods Market.)

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 09:42:05 AM » by mykidsmom

Jill and SaraJane,

Another thing I just thought of is you will need to plan on it taking two years at the minimum to heal their bodies of the food allergies. Even then, people with skin issues tend to always have food issues so I would just say be diligent and watchful.

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 12:19:17 PM » by sarajane

Thanks for the reminder. My DH had eczema as a baby and they didn't know about food allergies and such. When he went on a diet as an adult all of his gosh awful allergies went away for the first time ever. But, try to keep a man on a diet like that for a long time, not happening (not now anyway)! LOL, he loves cheese too much! I think if as a baby he had been taken off of milk and some other things he wouldn't have the bad reactions he has now.

Well, I am also looking for a dairy free probiotic. I had found one and I lost the link. I need to go back and find it. I think that would help us both to be able to have that. If any of you know of where to buy one I'm interested.

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 12:37:56 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: sarajane on June 24, 2009, 12:19:17 PM

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Well, I am also looking for a dairy free probiotic. I had found one and I lost the link. I need to go back and find it. I think that would help us both to be able to have that. If any of you know of where to buy one I'm interested.

SaraJane,

VSL#3 is an excellent dairy free probiotic. It is a tasteless powder (we mix it with a little applesauce). Unfortunately, it is VERY expensive. It's $78 a box. If one child and one adult were taking it, it would last about a month or so depending on how diligently you took it. It has 450billion live organisms. That's the highest I know of on the market. The only reason we are/were taking it is because we are trying to heal severe food allergies (fixing the gut). It is definately working. I have just taken a couple of my kids off of it and as soon as I'm out of this box I'm going back to PB-8 for everyone because of cost. Which, BTW, PB-8 is dairy free. You can get it pretty cheap through Azure or maybe even Lucky Vitamin. I'm not sure about the second place. Pb-8 is also sold at Fred Meyer/Kroger stores but it's pretty spendy there ($24 a bottle).

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 02:22:06 PM » by mommyjen

Patti, I have a few questions for you! How long did you take the VSL3 for before switching to a lesser potency pb? I have gut issues and am trying to heal my gut (digestion is getting worse every day) by digestive enzymes, probiotics, and removing allergens and will be adding aloe vera juice as well. I know I don't produce enough hydrocloric acid either, so I am think about HCI supplements too. I'm nursing, so don't know that I could take anything to kill bad bacteria, fungus, parasites, etc. in the gut anyways right now so am holding off on the stool testing you recommend. Do you have any other products you would recommend for general healing of the GI (w/o specific testing done)? I've read that it may be necessary to experiment with digestive enzymes because they all have different ingredients and depending on what the digestive/absorption issue is one may work better than another. Also, did the Genova stool analysis test for Candida? That is a concern of mine. Any other word of wisdom? How long would I need to do above regimine? Oh, and this am I took a huge dose of probiotics and had loose stool with undigested particles in it about an hour later. This is very weird for me. Could it be related to the large pb dose? Sorry the info is so graphic, but I guess I've been on WTM long enough to know it's okay. Tongue

Thanks so much!!

Edited to add: Oh, I forgot. The digestive enzymes don't seem to be working and may be making me gassier. Huh

I recently read that you have to take them before meals and just (today) started that.

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 03:35:43 AM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: mommyjen on June 24, 2009, 02:22:06 PM

Thanks so much!!

Edited to add: Oh, I forgot. The digestive enzymes don't seem to be working and may be making me gassier. Huh

I recently read that you have to take them before meals and just (today) started that.

Hi Mommyjen,

Let's see..........

1) Most of us took the VSL#3 for 6 months before switching back to PB-8. In a few weeks I'll be putting my son back on the PB-8. My hub will likely stay on the VSL for another 3 months at least.

2) If your gut is as bad as you say it is then I suggest using Thorne's BioGest with oxbile or Beeyoutiful's Enzymes (which also have oxbile). This will also take care of the HCL issue. There should be no issue with you taking these while nursing. As a matter of fact, it will make your milk healthier and baby will get more nutrients. You would likely need to hold on any bacteria killing stuff (Oil of oregano, garlic, uva ursi, etc.).

3) I absolutely recommend the following regimen if someone is dealing with food allergies/gut issues:

CandiBactin BR by Metagenics - this heals the intestines - 1 tab. 3 x's a day. This is the cheapest I've found it http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/itemKey/57429 . It's a decent size bottle and will last 2 months. Berbine is in the same family as goldenseal so if you're allergic to goldenseal do NOT take berbine (candibactin) - we found this out the hard way - but hub is allergic to it. Shocked

VSL#3 or similar strength probiotic - 1/2 sachet twice daily (we mix ours with a little applesauce). If using capsules of something then 2 capsules 2x's daily. NOTE: Do NOT take the probiotic and candibactin together.

BioGest by Thorne or Beeyoutiful Enzymes with oxbile - 2 caps per meal, 1 cap with snacks. Take immediately AFTER eating. The cheapest place I've found it is http://www.naturamart.com/thorne-research-bio-gest-180-capsules.html . The discount is always there so it comes to $23 something a bottle. At 7 a day it will last 25 1/2 days. (We have six people taking this so I go through a bottle every 4 days Shocked

).

Two months of nystatin tablets. 2 tabs twice daily. This is to kill of any candida that may be present (nearly always is if one has gut issues). It's spendy - $50 for one month supply. Shocked

That's why I only did two months because we had 6 people taking it. Ouch!

I absolutely recommend taking the above stuff (except the nystatin) for a minimum of six months. We have not yet gone off the BioGest but we ran out this week while I had some on order and there were still issues with absorption/digestion so I'm guessing we're going to have to be on that stuff for quite some time yet. My ND that said that it could take a year before our bodies are producing enough enzymes again. He said my DD may always have to take it (her gut was badly damaged). We'll just keep testing it out to see when we can have some of them go off of it.

If you have food allergies then taking 1 tsp. of powdered quercetin (mix with applesauce) after each meal will help your body to stop reacting to food and bring down internal inflammation.

4) Yes, the stool test does show if you have candida. It will show how bad it is as well.

5) The probiotic would have had to go through you awfully fast to produce stools that fast. I would actually wonder if you are allergic to gluten? Look at what you ate 1-3hrs prior to that bowel movement for clues. The undigested particles just shows your need for enzymes. BTW, taking enzymes before you eat may not be as helpful as you think. They work on the food you eat so if you take them first and there's no food then essentially they're going to go thru and doing nothing. They are making you gassier because whatever your taking doesn't have oxbile in them and you are likely having difficulty absorbing/digesting fats. I don't know of any OTC's that have oxbile in them.

Symptoms of not absorbing/digesting fats would be dry skin (including lips), extra thirsty and/or hungry, dry hair (breaking, damaged, etc). I'm sure there are others I'm missing right now but it's late (or early Undecided

).

The only thing I think you shouldn't take while pregnant will be the nystatin because it is intended to cause die off. The candibactin can too but it's to heal the intestines so I'm not sure that is a problem. It *can* cause die off but doesn't always. I would research this one first. Just to make sure. It won't hurt baby at all because it's an intestinal healer so if baby has inherited any stomach issues then it will only help him/her. But die off might bug baby so check on that one.

As I said, a minimum of 6 months would be needed to help the gut heal. Keep in mind too that we have really strict diets to help in healing. We've eliminated ALL of the foods that everyone was allergic to. If you take everything I listed but have food allergies that you aren't taking care of you may as well flush the money down the toilet. So make sure you're eating healthy. With diet and supplements the gut can heal in about a year. With diet alone it takes about two years.

hth

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2009, 11:00:41 AM » by mommyjen

mykidsmom! I'm taking my little boy in this Tue to the ND. We finally have the finances! So, if I have to choose should I do the Elisa or Genova? ND seems to think food allergy test first, but I'm wondering if he would be allergic to less things if any pathogens were cleared up first? He doesn't have any skin reactions, it's all in his stool. Also, allergy tests can be wrong and he may avoid a food that really he's fine with. What would you do? Thanks so much! Jen

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2009, 10:20:13 AM » by mommyjen

Quote from: mommyjen on September 04, 2009, 11:00:41 AM

bump! Thank you!!

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2009, 02:46:55 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: mommyjen on September 05, 2009, 10:20:13 AM

Quote from: mommyjen on September 04, 2009, 11:00:41 AM

bump! Thank you!!

mommyJen,

You want to do the ELISA first. The ELISA is not wrong! I don't trust other tests but we've had more then ten ELISAs done and they have all been dead on. We can actually gather a lot of info about his stool AFTER the ELISA comes back. Certain things will show up in his stools depending on the allergen. Also, it's pretty easy to kill the pathogens. I have a list we can look at after you know what he's allergic to.

Just make sure that your doctor sends this test off to USBioTek Labs in Seattle. If he doesn't, it is NOT the ELISA test and you will not be able to trust it. Also, the test has to be paid for before they will run it so if you don't have insurance be sure to give them the $169 to send with the test or give them your phone number and you can give them a credit card number. Be on top of it. About 4 days after they take the blood call US BioTek Labs and confirm they have received the test AND payment. Otherwise, they won't call you and it could sit there forever.

If you need any help, let me know. It will take a few weeks to get the test back but you will be glad you did it.

god bless,

patti

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2009, 07:25:59 PM » by mommyjen

Quote from: mykidsmom on September 05, 2009, 02:46:55 PM

Oh, thank you so much Patti! It's assuring to have your experience and knowledge in all of this! I made sure ND would send the blood draw to Biotek, and that was already the lab he used. He also uses Genova too! I really like him, even though he isn't the doctor you recommended and a specialist in GI health. I'm only a few hours from the ND you had success with, but I thought it would be wiser to put money into testing rather then traveling. I feel really good about it all though. I'll keep you posted! I'm so thankful to finally be getting to the bottom of ds health issues. I will be calling the lab to make sure everything is on track too. Thanks so much!

Jenny in Oregon

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Re: What does egg allergy look like on skin?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2009, 11:07:07 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: mommyjen on September 05, 2009, 07:25:59 PM

Quote from: mykidsmom on September 05, 2009, 02:46:55 PM

He also uses Genova too! I really like him, even though he isn't the doctor you recommended and a specialist in GI health. I'm only a few hours from the ND you had success with, but I thought it would be wiser to put money into testing rather then traveling.

Jenny in Oregon

All that matters is he knows what tests to run and how to read them. Wink

I only mention the ND we use because we had been to five ND's and I learned the hard way that finding a good ND is like finding a good MD. Few and far between. But if you have one you use then recommend him if he's good! There are sooooo few good ones out there and he may be closer to someone else then Dramov is. Hey, have I asked this question before? Where in OR? Maybe you've already told me this and I'm brain dead. I was born and raised in PDX. Tongue

So glad to be out of that liberal bastion! We moved back to Ideeee-ho a few years ago and are so thankful! I can't stand the rain in OR. Tongue

Can you say "seasonal affective disorder?" Grin

Please do let us know how this all comes out. I am anxious for you to have answers that you feel like you can trust and move forward with. It might seem overwhelming at first, but do not worry. You can do this and your little guy will get better!

patti

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