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Strange skin bumps
« on: July 23, 2009, 07:37:42 AM » by VickyO664

My son is 10 months old and has recently been getting some bumps on his lower abdomen (near diaper line) and buttocks. They are small, red bumps - not like pimples, but look more like a rash. They don't seem to bother him, but the fact that they don't go away is bothersome to me.

He is exclusively breastfed and eating solids now. Moving towards more of a table food diet.

At his 9 month check, the doctor said the bumps were from being wet in those areas. I disagree, however, because I never let his diapers get to the point of where they are sopping wet. My older daughter had diapers wetter than his and never developed these bumps.

Now he has developed a large red bump on one of his buttocks. It is not really to a head, but is a darker red in the center and has quite a large area of redness around it. I'm sure it is painful, as I have developed these bumps myself throughout my life and they seem to go away on their own. I used some Golden Salve on it last night and put coconut oil on it (with a bandage) this morning. It is not weeping or broken open, but I am hoping the ointments work to get rid of it.

Is this a Staph infection? Long story, but I believe my FIL has a raging Staph infection and he has been visiting a lot lately, so I wouldn't be surprised. Only thing is now (if it is), I need to keep him from visiting and scrub the house from top to bottom!!!

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2009, 02:03:07 PM » by MommabyHisgrace

I think it very well could be a staph infection. There's a whole thread on MRSA that could be of great help to you. Even if it's not MRSA, there's just so much good info on cleaning, boosting the immune system, etc. Keep an eye on that one bump--it can turn into a boil quick and with him being so young you want to be careful if it is staph. It is just so contagious--we passed it between most of our family members and it took over a year to get over it!

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 02:48:06 PM » by VickyO664

Thanks for your tips!

I also have Colloidal Silver gel from Nature's Sunshine which I will be trying and I have everything here to make GOOT, too. What do you suggest?

I have a 2 1/2 year old and my 10 month old. Both have gotten a few strange "pimples" on their faces lately, too, which have bothered me.

Ack, I can't even think straight with all the cleaning I have to get to if this is MRSA! Tongue

I'm pretty upset that my FIL has passed this on to my family. He is a terrible nose picker, and has a bad case of either MRSA or nasal impetigo and constantly complains about sores in his nose. He has since passed this to my family! Now with the children getting sores.... ugh! Disgusting!

How do you suggest going about cleaning things in the house? I want to nip this in the bud asap!

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 04:53:38 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: VickyO664 on July 23, 2009, 02:48:06 PM

I have a 2 1/2 year old and my 10 month old. Both have gotten a few strange "pimples" on their faces lately, too, which have bothered me.

Can you post a picture of this? Is it possible this is muscullosum contagiosum?

The pimply rash you talk about I would also love to see a picture of. I have an idea of what it could be but would like to see it first.

The large bump defintely watch for staph or MRSA. But the smaller are not likely that.

Patti

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 06:49:29 PM » by MommabyHisgrace

Oh, please don't be upset with your FIL! It really is very prevalent right now and can be picked up just about anywhere nowadays. You could definitely put the goot on the larger bump--it will draw stuff out and it's a natural antibiotic--good, good stuff! We did colloidal silver internally as well as externally on the bumps. Cover them and try to keep the kiddos from scratching them. Again, make your way to the MRSA thread--I'm pretty sure I put my entire regimen on there. If I didn't PM me and I'd be happy to go over with you. Swabbing noses, making my own cleaning supplies, ACV on surfaces, and major boosting the immune system are just a few things, but I can go into more detail if you PM me. Hope this helps!

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 06:52:30 PM » by VickyO664

Quote from: mykidsmom on July 23, 2009, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: VickyO664 on July 23, 2009, 02:48:06 PM

I have a 2 1/2 year old and my 10 month old. Both have gotten a few strange "pimples" on their faces lately, too, which have bothered me.

Patti: I checked online for muscullosum contagiosum and it's definitely not that. Those basically look like skin tags, and that's not what my kids are displaying.

I tried to get a few pictures of my son tonight, but it was bath time and he was antsy to get in.

We'll see how they turned out! I'll try to upload them soon. Thanks for asking.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 06:59:53 PM » by VickyO664

Quote from: MommabyHisgrace on July 23, 2009, 06:49:29 PM

Mommy: Thanks for your help! I have been reading (as the day has allowed) the MRSA thread and I saw your regimen - intense!

I give you credit, because it's definitely not something you want to let get away from you. Sadly, I am a microbiologist, and I can't even protect my kids from this! I'm not a germ freak, thinking everything has to be ultra clean, but now I want my house to be cleaned from top to bottom!

Ok, I do have a question: as for your herbal remedies and things you use, how young is too young? My son is only 10 months, but if it's based on weight, he is a big boy. Wink

Also, do you have a copy of your daily plan? I would love to print it off, and I'm afraid (being new here as of today) that I lost my place in the MRSA thread and can't find your list! I don't know how to do a message. I clicked on your name but it said I couldn't view your profile....?

Thanks a million!

P.S. I know, I shouldn't blame my FIL, but I even emailed him about it a while back as we started having nasal problems after he was visiting and having an outbreak. He had been spending a lot of time with his mom in the nursing home recently before she passed away, so I assume he picked it up there. He just calls his daughter, who works for a dentist, and she prescribes him an antibiotic and he pops a pill. But the sores always come back. He is totally against doing anything natural. Sad

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 07:58:22 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Vicky,

Goot can be too strong on baby's skin. I would be careful with that, especially in the diaper area.

Another thought: it could be fungal related. The only 'diaper rash' my littles ever got was the fungal kind...sort of looked like a red pimpley rash on mine. I put the generic brand of athletes foot ointment on, and it went away. This is worse in the summer, when it's warm, and the diaper area's warmth and dampness is a perfect breeding ground. Baby can also sweat just a bit around waistbands, so it doesn't mean that you're letting him get too wet. Wink

A little baby powder also helps keep things dry (but not talc, and not corn starch as that may feed the fungus as well.)

I have had the worst time with my cloth diapered baby. The diapers I bought have synthetic inserts, and they are SO absorbent, it's very hard to get them completely clean. Next time, I will def. go with cotton! The best thing I found was doing an occasional vinegar rinse with them.

My dd also caught a spot of fungus on her face within minutes of being in the baby nursery. I looked down to see a bright red spot on her cheek, about the size of my pinkie nail. The other workers said 'oh, she probably bumped her cheek.' But it stayed for days, and would flare from light pink to bright red...until I started putting cream on it, and then it went away quickly.

HTH!

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 08:11:26 PM » by VickyO664

Quote from: hi_itsgwen on July 23, 2009, 07:58:22 PM

Thanks for your thoughts! I appreciate this so much! My sister posts a lot on here (Mama Sita) and I am now seeing why.

So many friends tell me to look at thread on BabyCenter, etc. but people are so medical there! Everyone tells you to just go and mindlessly follow the doctor's plan for your child - ugh! Definitely not in my agenda. Wink

I am using disposables, and have ruled out the actual brand of diaper being the cause of his "rash". I don't think it's diaper rash either, but didn't know how else to describe it. I'll have to try the antifungal cream; it's worth a shot! Do you think olive leaf extract is too harsh to give him? If not, what dosage? Or capryllic acid? GSE? Dosing is hard on herbals - I never know how much to give, and on the things I have gotten for kids from the health food store, they have "ages 2 and up" on the label. Tongue

Oh, and the rash around the waistband has just occurred since the summer arrived, so I can definitely see your point. I will try a bit of baby powder, too.

I've put the Nature's Sunshine Silver Shield Gel on the 2 bumps with a bandage to cover it and he's down for the night. I'll see how he's doing in the morning.

Thanks so much! Love WTM - you guys are great!

My first day here and I'm getting so much help and great info.

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 11:12:04 PM » by Mamatoto

For the bumps on the front that may be fungal...we've been battling yeast since DS was born (likely got it passing through the vaginal canal since I had a lot of yeast problems while pregnant). Our holistic pediatrician in DC had me sprinkle probiotic powder directly on the bumps, and also wanted DS to get as much naked time in as possible. That did the trick for about six months, but then my eating habits changed due to a move cross-country and living with some people who don't eat too well, and it came back. Our holistic pediatrician here in Denver had me give DS twice the normal daily dosage of baby bifidus, plus a topical treatment of coconut oil with a few drops tea tree and roman chamomile essential oils mixed in, plus as much naked time as possible. That seemed to help. We also did 2 months of a strict anti-candida cleanse, but I would just make sure you aren't giving him anything with sugar. I haven't really had to use baby powder to dry off because we started ECing at 2 1/2 months, but I did make some homemade stuff "just in case." Since the talc in normal baby powder can be not-so-good for the respiratory system, and if you're in the mood to make your own, just mix 5 parts arrowroot powder with 1 part lavender powder. Best of luck!

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2009, 12:48:39 PM » by orcuttranch

Well, everyone that has already seen me post this is going to think I'm getting paid by this company - but I promise I'm not. Grin

I found this liquid yogurt called Bio-K. It is the best stuff I have found to treat fungal infections (I have to say that it worked so well that I really didn't try other stuff Cheesy

). My daughter (18 mos) had a rash just a week and a half ago right above her top lip that was pimply and would not go away on its own (we are battling yeast in our house right now). I just put a little of the Bio-K on it after each meal and then at night after she was asleep so that she wouldn't rub it off. It was noticeably better within one day and by day two was completely drying out. Actually, it dried out to the point that I switched to coconut oil (also anti-fungal) so that her skin wouldn't end up too dry. I have also used it for diaper rashes that I am convinced are fungal - would not go away on their own. I also used it for myself when I had a yeast infection. We also eat it in our smoothies! Cheesy

It is a great probiotic and has a certain strain in it that is supposed to be really great for fungal infections and for people with diarrhea. They do have "flavored" varieties. Don't get those - sugar in them would not encourage healing! Wink

It is a little pricey $4-$5 for 3.5 oz. bottle. But if you're just using it topically, it's not bad. We make our own yogurt now with the Bio-K as the starter.

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2009, 01:03:29 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Quote from: VickyO664 on July 23, 2009, 08:11:26 PM

Yep...the brand doesn't matter. It's probably just part of his skin flora that is overgrowing in the heat of his diaper area...not actually coming from the diaper. My kids never looked like a classic rash either...just little bumps most of the time. We did get one bad case of fungal rash that came on fast and hard, but mostly it was just the little lingering bumps.

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Do you think olive leaf extract is too harsh to give him? If not, what dosage? Or capryllic acid? GSE? Dosing is hard on herbals - I never know how much to give, and on the things I have gotten for kids from the health food store, they have "ages 2 and up" on the label. Tongue

Oh, and the rash around the waistband has just occurred since the summer arrived, so I can definitely see your point. I will try a bit of baby powder, too.

Dosing is hard on herbs for older kids and adults...it's REALLY hard with babies, because their skin and digestive tracts are not mature yet. I would be most comfortable with using unsweetened yogurt or baby probiotics applied to the area, and also feeding yogurt and/or probiotics. That way, you're battling the problem by strengthening his natural flora, instead of wiping it out with an antibiotic (even natural ones can be harsh on little tummies)...does that make sense?

I wouldn't necessarily cover with a band-aid (unless you're concerned about serious contamination issues with MRSA)...if it's a fungus/yeast then airing it out and keeping it dry is going to help most.

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 01:08:56 PM » by VickyO664

Quote from: orcuttranch on July 24, 2009, 12:48:39 PM

Well, everyone that has already seen me post this is going to think I'm getting paid by this company - but I promise I'm not. Grin

I found this liquid yogurt called Bio-K.

It is a little pricey $4-$5 for 3.5 oz. bottle. But if you're just using it topically, it's not bad. We make our own yogurt now with the Bio-K as the starter.

I did a search for that and it came up with Bio-K+ .... is that the same thing? I don't have access to the milk/liquid as we're too far from any source. Only the capsules and that's by purchasing online. Hmmm. I'll have to think about it. Thanks!

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2009, 01:16:43 PM » by VickyO664

Quote from: hi_itsgwen on July 24, 2009, 01:03:29 PM

Quote from: VickyO664 on July 23, 2009, 08:11:26 PM

I am giving him whole milk yogurt (plain) right now with some Beeyoutiful probiotics mixed in. He loves yogurt and I know it's good for him. I totally agree with boosting his natural flora. If it is fungal, it's not very bad right now, so we can afford to go this route instead of something more aggressive.

I haven't covered the tiny bumps with a band-aid, only his one large bump on his bottom. It almost looks like a boil. I have a picture I'll try to upload.

Hmmm, not sure how to upload the picture. I see the "insert image" button but it doesn't give me a place to select an image from. Tongue

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2009, 01:27:59 PM » by orcuttranch

Quote from: VickyO664 on July 24, 2009, 01:08:56 PM

Quote from: orcuttranch on July 24, 2009, 12:48:39 PM

Well, everyone that has already seen me post this is going to think I'm getting paid by this company - but I promise I'm not. Grin

It is the same. That would be the shelf-stable Bio-K. I haven't tried it. There aren't generally as many live cultures as in the yogurt from what I have read and heard. Not to say it isn't good still. You could try mixing it in with regular yogurt and then apply it that way if you want. If you only have access online, though, I would personally try the other options on here first that you can get a hold of right away. Plain yogurt from the store is okay - but I would add in some extra probiotics since the tendency of store bought yogurt seems to be low in active cultures, especially if you are going to apply it topically. Just my $.02 (Although with the way things are going right now, it is probably worth more like 1/2 a cent. Cheesy

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 08:38:07 AM » by VickyO664

So, here's my morning update on my little guy.

I've been giving him plain whole milk yogurt with probiotics mixed in and his rash doesn't seem to be getting any worse, which is good. I am going to try the antifungal cream today to see if that helps. There aren't a lot of bumps, and it's just on his chest, lower abdomen and a few in the diaper area.

The large bump on his bottom came to a head this morning. We've been soaking in warm baths, warm compresses, etc. to get it to come to a head. I saw my opportunity this morning and I didn't even have to get a pin, I just squeezed it a little and it broke open. You would not believe the pus that came out of this thing! Seems every time I squeezed more and more would roll out. Poor baby, he didn't enjoy it too much but I know it's for his benefit. Sad

I cleaned it out good and put the silver gel on it right away and covered it. We'll keep an eye on it and him today.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2009, 12:55:11 PM » by VickyO664

My little guy is doing MUCH better!

The boil is almost completely gone. After I squeezed out all the pus, cleaned it out and covered it with Silver Gel, it is looking much improved.

There's no more pus and has been no drainage to speak of. I am not covering it any more right now, just letting it air out. I can tell he feels much better, too.

Thanks to Momma for her cleaning info and supplement tips! I am using them to (hopefully!) eliminate this nasty bug from our household. Well, I'm not certain it's MRSA, but it very well could be and I don't want to take any chances.

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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2009, 06:24:25 AM » by VickyO664

Ok, I'm gonna throw this out there to see what you all think:

What do I do about the church nursery, etc?

I would really like to continue to go to church!

Also, I was going to join MOPS this fall, as we have relocated to a new area and meeting people has been hard. I'm a SAHM in a rural area so this would really help me get out and have some adult conversation. Tongue

My worry is that the kids will continually pick this up. I can be cleaning, washing our clothes, treating them, but if they keep bringing it home, my fear is that we will never be over it. On the flip side, I CANNOT envision a year of being stuck at home with them - a mom needs to get out!

What are your thoughts?

On another note, our church nursery is pretty small, but I don't know how good they are about cleaning. I had thoughts of asking them about their cleaning procedure and maybe helping them come up with something, to ensure that none of the kids there catch anything.

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Re: Strange skin bumps
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2009, 12:10:15 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Well, I think the main concern would be to not spread MRSA if you feel that your child/children have it. But I'm with you...I greatly value my Church family and friendship support networks. And my kids love their friends too, so we take our chances.

As far as contracting stuff in nurseries, it does happen, but it has only happened very rarely in my family...and usually is of the sniffles/cold variety of infection. We have once or twice brought home a stomach bug or flu bug, but when it's going around, you're going to get it somewhere. Cheesy

I would definitely ask about the policy on nursery cleanliness and illnesses. Our little nursery does not allow children with snotty noses in the nursery at all, and we've actually gone and gotten Mommy if Jr. 'develops' a runny nose after he's dropped off. They also clean toys and equipment with alcohol and/or bleach water once a week, allowing them to thoroughly dry before the kids get them again. They rotate toys usually to keep them clean.

The main ones I'd be concerned about are MRSA and muscullosum contagiosum. I would ask the nursery coordinator about making sure that the workers can identify both conditions, and that children who have signs of them be removed from the nursery pronto. (And add 'lice' to this list for older kids classes).

That's my .02

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