Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2008, 07:52:22 PM » by corriebeth

I just found out today at the doctor that I have a cystocele. I am 28 and have only had two kids, and am not overweight. I just had a biggish baby 6 weeks ago (he was 8 lb 14 oz) and wonder if the very hard, fast pushing they had me do caused part of this. I was diligent with Kegels during pregnancy and will resume them right away!! I am frustrated that this is something that "probably won't get better, and might get worse," in the words of my nurse midwife. I think I'll go to the whole woman website mentioned above, but I'd also appreciate any one's insight or experience.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2008, 08:08:55 PM » by Pennie

Quote from: corriebeth on January 17, 2008, 07:52:22 PM

I definitely think big babies have something to do with it. My sisters first was 9 something and the dr used forceps or vaccum I think. He is 15 now. She had a rectocele and the cystocele. Could be somewhat gentic too not sure. Her dr told her her organs were so fragile they were like a 90 yr olds. Not sure I believe that. They did a complete hyst at the same time. She knew htere was a problem B/c her cervix was literally falling out by the end of the day. I had a ND at the time that said with certain exercises and herbs that she could avoid surgery. ND said she did however my sister already had hers scheduled so went ahead with it. She ended up having to have an ovary removed thus the fragile organ story. she started to bleed to heavily and hte doc coudn't stop it w/o removing the ovary....I think that story sounds fishy. I think she nicked an artery but that is MO which I don't share with my sis. Wink

Also after I had my last baby I was afraid "things" were sitting to low and my midwife gave me something that was homeopathic to help things shift up. HOWEVER, I am afraid I don't remember whwat that was. My sister had this done about 3 yrs ago and already feels like things are starting to sag again. Cry

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2008, 01:52:48 AM » by hicchik

Just be glad you're not a cow. I remember my first experience doctoring a cow that had a complete prolapse. Tongue

I had to wash off the uterus, methodically push it back in, and then sew her "shut". Being a woman, I was in pain through the whole thing. I wondered if it was a hormonal issue, which goes back to the omegas. As I recall, all of the prolapsed cattle I treated wether steer, heifer or cow were all pushing before, during and after the "surgery". The same way we push to give birth or eliminate. I found that interesting, and with all of the hormones they pump into cattle these days, it just makes me curious. I would recommend adding organic meats to your diet, along with the other good ideas the other ladies have had. Keep the extra unhealthy hormones out of the way. Undecided

~hicchik

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2008, 04:37:39 AM » by healthnut

What is a rectocele and cystocele? Roll Eyes

Also the "walls" are soft (have no shape/support/firmness?) and it feels like they are working their way "out"! My uterus feels like it is lower than normal and kind of hanging. **I have been doing kegels but they don't seem to be working as the whole stress incontinence issue isn't getting better or going away. How long till I see any kind of progress??? I just need to know if this is going to work and help fix this problem! My baby is six months old shouldn't things be getting better now? Shocked

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2008, 07:56:09 AM » by GarlicMomma

Quote from: healthnut on January 18, 2008, 04:37:39 AM

What is a rectocele and cystocele? Roll Eyes

Rectocele is when the rectum is "falling" downward into the vagina.

Cystocele is when the bladder is "falling" downward into the vagina.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2008, 10:00:57 AM » by sunshine4th

In my book "School of Natural Healing" by Dr. Christopher, her gives this formula for a prolapsed or enlarged uterus"
2 ounces of Red Raspberry leaves
15 drops of Sandalwood oil
8 ounces of Irish moss, mucilage
1 ounce of glycerin
Simmer the raspberry leaves for 15 mins. while tightly covered in 1 1/2 pints of water; strain add the remaining ingredients and shake throughly. Use as a douche, make fresh each time.

I have experience with this, I just came across it last night when I was reading and wanted to put it on this thread.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2008, 09:03:47 PM » by amy

I've tried reading around the forum for info. on POP and this thread came closest to what I'm looking for. I hope someone here will have some wise words.

While on the toilet a few days ago, I decided to check my cervical position and mucus, for charting purposes, only to discover that my cervix was right at my vaginal opening! This pretty much freaked me out and so I started a seach for info. I've discovered that I must have the beginning of a prolapse...or full prolapse...not sure what the term would be. I've also read that the OB/GYN exams required to diagnose a prolapse are painful and there are many of them.

There seems to be 3 outlooks on Pelvic Organ Prolapse (POP).
1. Do Kegals correctly and it will fix the problem. There's a device called the KegalMaster that people claim has repaired their POP.

2. Kegals don't work....it's posture. Says the Whole Woman website.

3. Doctors say kegals MAY help, but don't hold your breath.

I can see that each of these groups have something to benefit from the stance they've taken. Doctors don't care if the exercise they suggest doesn't work because then you're back for surgery where they make money. The Kegal machine people are trying to sell their device so of course they'll tell you you can't do kegals correctly without it and may even cause damage if you are doing them wrong. The Whole Woman website is selling a pricey book along with other videos, books, and equipment to impliment her program so she makes money too.

Right now I'm drinking red raspberry leaf tea to help regulate my cycle and I'm hoping this will help tone my whole pelvic area. I'm considering adding Omega 3s after reading this thread. I've started back on my kegals...hopefully I'm doing them right! So I'm going to keep a journal to keep track of what helps and what doesn't. I will not have surgery and plan to have more children (we have 4 now) so I don't really see the point of going through many painful exams for diagnosis. I would greatly appreciate any success stories or other suggestions from y'all. I'm hoping someone out there can tell a story of what they did that worked! Has anyone tried that KegalMaster? It would be worth the money to me if it will speed healing and be more effective than just regular kegals on my own. Kinda weird imagining putting exercise equipment into your vagina though! I'm praying I can hear from a like minded person out there.

Searching for answers,
Amy

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2008, 08:13:36 AM » by just jane

I am following this thread with interest. As a result of 3 births with forceful pushing and maybe some other issues as well, I have a rectocele, which is the wall of the rectum pushing over into the vagina. I do have a problem controling my bowels Roll Eyes

and I wonder if having the surgery would help this???

It doesn't seem like anyone on here really has the answer for this problem once it has developed Huh

After my 2nd birth the midwife told me that I could do Kegels all day and they would not help because of the wall being damaged. Every where else down there the muscle tone is very very tight.

If I new that surgery would help me I would definitely do it. The problem is annoying if I ever want to travel etc. I am only 33!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2008, 09:05:21 AM » by serzer

You are looking for wise words. I don't know if I have them, but I can give you my experience. After a very fast delivery with very little pushing (my second child) my cervix came out with the placenta. My midwife pushed it back in. The next day while going to the bathroom, I thought I had a clot that wouldn't come out all of the way. After examining it, I realized it was my cervix. I pushed it back up and tried to rest.
I saw my doctor and I also had a rectocele.

Everytime I had a bowel movement my cervix would slide down, so I tried very hard not to allow myself to get constipated so I would not have to bear down much.

After a while, it did strengthen and it does not fall out anymore, even with the birth of my third child. And when I say awhile, I mean years.

I used to not be able to wear a tampon because the cervix was so low, but I could now if I needed to. The tampon does eventually slip a bit more than it would normally though.

I don't think I would worry too much about the cervix being at the vaginal door, as long as it is not actually hanging out. Mine sits there sometimes also. Even at that, I knew a lady whose cervix would fall out often during pregnancy. But it eventually pulled up enough not to bother her much. It just takes time.

As I said, no wise words, just my experience.

Best wishes,
Serzer

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2008, 01:51:04 PM » by JuliaofSunnyside

My friend who is a Pilates instructor said that Pilates strengthens those pelvic muscles that hold all those organs in and it's a great thing to do after pregnancy. I've taken Pilates classes and it's only as hard as you make it for yourself and seems to be a really good workout.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2008, 06:14:16 PM » by DHW

Here's an herb that has been used in TCM for organ prolapse (from Dr. Jonathan V. Wright):

Q: I read recently that the herb astralagus may be used to correct organ prolapse. Does that include the uterus?

Dr. Wright: For those readers that may not be familiar with it, prolapse occurs when an organ slips out of place within the body. The use of astragalus for organ prolapse comes from Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). In TCM, astragalus is used for a variety of prolapse syndromes, including a prolapsed uterus. For this application, the root is taken by decoction (simmering in hot water) and the typical dose is between 10 to 30 grams per day.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2008, 04:26:55 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: DHW on August 20, 2008, 06:14:16 PM

How is an herbal tea going to make a uterus move "up"? I'm curious how this works?

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2008, 04:34:44 PM » by DHW

I am guessing that astragalus is an organ tonic helping to nourish and strengthen the ligaments that support the organ. If I find out more I will post.

I am thinking that some yoga poses might be helpful for moving the female organs back up, at least temporarily. (In these poses the hips would be higher than the shoulders.)

Prolotherapy is another possibility, athough injecting the uterine ligaments sounds painful. Well, not as painful as surgery.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2008, 08:31:00 PM » by createddaisy

I have been reading on this. I read in an old herb book that you could use chickweed to help with this. You make a poultice from what I understand and insert v*g*nally. I think you could make it a douche as well. I am not familiar with chickweed. Do you think this would work?

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2008, 12:38:36 AM » by mom24boys

Quote from: amy on July 21, 2008, 09:03:47 PM

Has anyone tried that KegalMaster? It would be worth the money to me if it will speed healing and be more effective than just regular kegals on my own. Kinda weird imagining putting exercise equipment into your vagina though! I'm praying I can hear from a like minded person out there.

Searching for answers,
Amy

I personally didn't try the kegelmaster but an acquaintance of mine did. She had 7 children naturally as well as being anorexic/bulimic. She also did not enjoy s*x, just laid there. Well, long story short, cured of anorexia, renewed desire for s*x but no tone and little sensation from years of straining to vomit, childbirth and little exercise from active sex. After a year of kegels doing no good, she tried the kegelmaster. She is a strong proponent of it now. She attributes the good results to the fact that there is resistance and not just an isometric exercise.

So, if you want to save money and you are a do-it-yourselfer, I would think that any elongated, somewhat compressible item can be your exercise equipment. Wink

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2008, 04:39:55 PM » by createddaisy

I have been doing some reading on comfry. I read on BHS's website where a man put it on his knee where the ligament was severed and it fixed it.
With a cystocele it is a fibrous ligament between the bladder and v*g*nal wall that is stressed or torn along with the prolapsed bladder pushing on that ligament that causes the prolapse. If I understand it right. Do you think applying comfry to the skin, like right above the pelvic or on the back, would help repair the ligament? I would like to find something to help this.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2009, 09:54:44 PM » by hollyolly123

I had a first degree uterine prolapse after the birth of my second child when I was 23. Even though it didn't come all the way to the v*ginal opening, it was massively painful and debilitating. I don't know if other women have as much pain as I did before it actually "comes out" but I sure did. Anyway, it got worse and worse until I did a fast, because I didn't yet know what was wrong with me, which I believe helped because the fast cleared my bowels. I immediately got pregnant, and the swelling and pain were instantly gone. Later I read that pregnancy can "reslove" prolapse.

Maybe for a time, but it sure doesn't strenthen the muscles.

I finally figured out what was wrong with me, ate well and drank enough to keep my bowles moving, avoided heavy lifting (nothing heavyer than my baby #3), and used Julie Tuppler's "Lose Your Mummy Tummy" DVD. The Tuppler technique for strenghthening abdominal muscles is awesome- she takes a physical therapy approach to it and says never, never do sit ups or crunches because it will worsen a diastasis. Man, was she right!

I also purchased a kegalmaster, and used it infrequently because my condition improved greatly with the Tuppler technique.

Well, I finished nursing my son and now the swelling, pulling, and aching are back. I suspect it's because i'm about to have my cycle return, but nut sure exactly why it always gets worse with my period. So now I'm being a good girl and have used my kegalmaster for the last three days. It hasn't gotten worse- it's not near so bad as after baby number two, at least not yet.

I'm writing to encourage those having problems to use Julie Tuppler's stuff, get the kegalmaster, and provide me with info and encouragement if you have it! I'll also post my progress, wether or not the KM works as well as is claimed. I have to say though, it seems to have made my BM's easier and eased my uterine cramping some after only a few days.

Any other helps would be appreciated!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2009, 12:41:06 PM » by ForeverGirl

Oh, Holly...
I'll be praying for you.

I skimmed through this thread, and found it odd that there was only one mention of Red Raspberry leaf...

I have no personal experience in this area, nor have I done any recent research on this, so maybe I'm missing something.... However, I do know that Red Raspberry Leaf tones the uterus muscles, and is the primary recommendation for uterine health among herb-wise midwives. My mother, and other midwives in our community back in TN, use Red Raspberry tea for prolapsed uterus, or possible prolapsed uterus, as well as toning, healing, etc... the uterus.

If it were me... I would start by making it a practice of drinking a half gallon of red raspberry tea every day and possibly try the recipe that sunshine4th posted:

Quote from: sunshine4th on January 18, 2008, 10:00:57 AM

Beka

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2009, 03:09:58 PM » by hollyolly123

Thank you so much, Becka. Can you tell me how much herb to use to half a gallon of water? Should I break it up into two batches through the day? I cruised around on the red rasperry thread and on bulkherbstore, but I didn't find a recipe. I was kind of planning on just making it once or twice a day and fridging it. Off to make a pot...

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2009, 04:10:28 PM » by hollyolly123

Oh, I know a lot of people mentioned that being overweight was a major factor. So I wanted to mention that I only wiegh 103 pounds (not pregnant), and I have alwasy been very small and not at all athletic. My babies have been 7, 8, and 7-14 lbs. respectively.

Also, I tried kegals without the kegalmaster and did them diligently, but it never worked.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2009, 08:24:41 PM » by createddaisy

I know how you feel. I ended up in the emergency room with this.
An inexperienced doctor thought the worst! Plus he got the wrong part of the anatomy. I have a stage 1 prolapse uterus but had a stage 3 prolapse bladder. It was my bladder that was pushing the v*gin*l wall out of the opening. I have been doing as much research and reading as I can on this.
All the doctors are telling me to live with it but God designed the body to heal itself.

This happened 3 weeks after my fifth baby was born only a few months ago. Here are some of the issues I have been able to address.

There is inflammation with any prolapse. I take Isoflavanoids that have ginger and turmeric in it. Plus I went on an anti inflammatory diet. No grains, sugars, and limited red meat. You need to consume lots of greens to repair cells as well as tissues. I have thought about taking chlorella and a green drink in addition to what I am already doing to help. Plus a high amount of vitamin C for repair. I take 3,000 mg. Which I had to build up to.

The other thing that I have found is helpful is an omega 3 supplement and Vitamin D. The body needs them to help repair.

I called and talked to David Christopher and got his insight on this problem. I am taking his herb class and am able to ask questions as I go along. This is his recommendation. BF&C (bone and cartiledge) take 5 pills 5 times a day. Do a castor oil fomentation. Lots of greens. And do a douche on a slant board. The douche is from his yellow dock formula that his dad made for prolapse among other things. (I got the exact formula off of his website and plan to make it myself) You lay on the slant board and put the tea in and massage the abdomen. Hold as long as possible before voiding. Do this every day.

I have not done this yet. I need to order the BF&C and get a few things from town the next time I go.

Rebuilding muscle is key. The muscles that hold all of the organs down there are bowl shaped. They need to be strengthened before you will see any progress. I can tell a big difference in my muscles from the last pregnancy to this one. My muscles are shot.

Here are the things I have done and the result so far.

Maya abdominal massage: helped me maintain where I am at but did not see improvement.

Organs in place fro t-tapp: this does help! Do not overdue it though or it will not be as effective.

Kegels: did nothing. I have had a doctor and physical therapist tell me this would not help.

Diet and the supplements listed above have helped.
Walking: has definately helped.
Chiropractor: keep the hips and the spin aligned does help

Any exercise that will help strengthen your pelvic floor and those lower abdominal muscles without creating downward pressure.

I need to go, I am sure I left something out but ask questions or pm me.
Sorry this is so long but it has been a journey and a passion.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2009, 09:48:41 PM » by hollyolly123

I understand the journey and passion part! Thank you so much for your insights. I definately need to start back on my green drink. David Sandoval (PHPorders.com?) makes and awesome green drink and has a major passion for health and whole food supplements. I use his whole food C supplement and his kamut blend wheatgrass powder. It doens't have spirulina in it so it makes a tasty Shocked

green drink. The Amla C has spirulina, but I take it in orange juice. You can also get it in capsules for way too much moolah if you ask me.

I use nordic naturals cod liver oil, which has naturally occurring vitamins D and A, and omega threes. As far as I know it's the best of the best.

I'll have to take notes on your response!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2009, 12:04:12 PM » by mommyM

Quote from: mom24boys on December 18, 2008, 12:38:36 AM

Quote from: amy on July 21, 2008, 09:03:47 PM

Like a kosher dill pickle or a banana?? That would save money, Tongue

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2009, 12:15:23 PM » by Whiterock

I think she meant, something that would involve your dh, too. Wink

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2009, 02:59:31 PM » by createddaisy

In my previous post I listed isoflavonoids but it should be inflavonoids.
Another thing I read about inflammation is grape seed extract.

Bioflavonoids. This is a class of over 5000 plant chemicals that our bodies metabolize in such a way that offers us strong anti-oxidant, anti-cancer, anti-allergenic and anti-inflammatory effects. Bioflavonoids, also called flavones or flavonoids, include compounds such as quercetin, epicatechin, and oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPC’s). But don’t let their long names put you off; many occur abundantly in our daily food and drink — in citrus fruits, vegetables, tea, cocoa and wine, to name just a few! Others are less well known, found less widely in nature, or still waiting to be discovered. Most bioflavonoids can be taken in supplemental form as part of a natural anti-inflammation regimen. Among the best for soothing the inflammatory cascade are quercetin, rutin, and procyanidins (OPC’s) such as those found in pine bark extract (Pycnogenol) and grape seed extract.

This is a short explanation on bioflavonoids and why grape seed extract
from the women to women website.

There needs to be more education on female issues. I knew nothing. A book that helped was Ever Since I had my baby. I have read articles and know of 1 case study that uterine prolapse is reverseable with the maya abdominal massage. From what I read bladder prolapse follows uterine prolapse if the uterine prolapse is not corrected. Which is where I am at. You definetly have good and bad days.

There is a t-tapp trainer on the t-tapp website that explains in detail how to find those transverse muscles (pelvic floor) and how to exercise them in the organs in place. It really helped me to understand the different muscle groups at work in the abdominal area.

I need to get that mummy tummy book!!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2009, 03:35:19 PM » by herbs girl

Quote from: mommyM on February 06, 2009, 12:04:12 PM

Quote from: mom24boys on December 18, 2008, 12:38:36 AM

Quote from: amy on July 21, 2008, 09:03:47 PM

Like a kosher dill pickle or a banana?? That would save money, Tongue

I want to say that the kegalmaster does ***work***. I just had my 4th baby and could not really feel very much during intamacy. My husband requires me to use the kegalmaster every single day. (Unless he makes the exception) I had leaking issues, ect also. I am on the 10th level (There are 15 levels) and things are improving well, less leakage, able to hold "it" longer, and much more enjoyable intamacy with my husband.

Some women have been able to get by without having to have surgery because they used the Kegalmaster. (with prolapse, ect) We paid around 100.00 for it. Consider it one of the best 100.00 you would ever spend!!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2009, 04:24:10 PM » by mommyM

Quote from: herbs girl on February 06, 2009, 03:35:19 PM

Quote from: mommyM on February 06, 2009, 12:04:12 PM

Quote from: mom24boys on December 18, 2008, 12:38:36 AM

Quote from: amy on July 21, 2008, 09:03:47 PM

Like a kosher dill pickle or a banana?? That would save money, Tongue

About the kegelmaster? I cannot afford the 100$. Is there something similar that is less money?? On Amazon is the Ben-wa smart balls. I was thinking about gettin them. Anyone ever use them?

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2009, 09:41:52 PM » by hollyolly123

I've gotta say, there's nothing like the kegalmaster IMO. It has a system of 4 springs that you use in various combinations, so you get to use more resistance as you progress. You wouldn't progress much if you used the same two pound weights for a year doing bicep curls, and it's the same idea with the kegals. The doctor, DR. Kegal or whatever, who invented them used resistance training. He didn't just tell women to go home and do their kegals, he stressed the importance of squeezing against resistance.

Also, you are able to moniter the device and know if you are successfully squeesing, how much you are squeezing, etc.

My cervix has moved up a little since starting this, and I no longer have much stress incontinence already (like needing to pee all the time).

I'm going to be honest. I bought the thing while my husband was deployed and didn't tell him till I saw results with it. I knew he wouldn't understand, but I just had to get help. He is now glad I did and happy with the results I've been getting in the last week. I have been able to be up and around and do some dishes and things, which I would not have been able to do if not for the excersizes. That makes him happy because he loves when I am cheerful and busy, but I could not be knowing everything I did was forcing my uterus and rectum lower and causing me more pain. After my baby #2 (#3 just turned 1) I tried to be superwoman and ignore the pain, and I ended up in such debilitating pain and with so much bleeding, we had to stop having marital relations altogether for a time, and he had to do housework. It was awful.

If you are in need of help down there, I think you should consider the kegalmaster of the upmost importance to your health, and scrounge together that $100 any way you can. THere is no other device that works as well imo. If the problem is an insensitive husband, honor him! Then get your wits about you and make a serious, grave appeal. Men often don't understand what it is to suffer as we do.

THat said, I decided not to use it today (day five) and see what happens, and boy did I regret it. Lots of pain and pressure, especially in the afternoon after I normally use it. I didn't to my tuppler technique tummy excersizes or my leg lifts either.

When it got really bad, I took an evening primrose oil and two cod liver oil gelcaps, and within five minutes the pain subsided. It was better than ibuprophen. I did some leglifts and that helped with the feeling of pressure. This was around dinnertime.

The only things that make my cramps go away are using my kegalmaster and taking evening primrose oil (clo helps too). After baby #2 when the prolapse and pain were even worse, EPO was like a miracle in the beginning, but after a while it didn't work anymore, so this has convinced me keeping my bowels moving, excersize (kegalmaster, leg lifts, tummy ect,), red raspberry tea etc. are very important to stick with.

THis bout of it all began just after I had a stomach flue, and I got constipated from the dehydration, which coincided with weaning my son. I can feel the bulge of my rectum into the wall of my v#ginal canal. THe one from my bladder seems to be gone though, I could feel it five days ago.

Thanks for the info about bioflavinoids! THe antiinflammitories I have been using (mostly EPO and whole food vitamin c) have been great and I'd love even more!

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2009, 09:51:38 PM » by hollyolly123

Oh yeah, you can google "Lose Your Mummy Tummy" by Julie Tuppler. There is a book, but I got the DVD. It shows you a computer animated thing about the anatomy of your tummy, and it really helped me to actually see how she does the excersizes. If you are very conservative (like us), be warned that they are wearing tight excersize outfits, so my husband appreciated me hiding it in my underwear drawer. There are lots of excersizes on there, a whole routine, that I don't even use, but most of it was about my "tummy" and it was definately worth it.

can probably find it on Amazon or something, but I ordered it from her site, Spabebe or something. I can attest that my tummy is definately flat! Well, as long as I dont miss more than a day. You have to be diligent. My diastasis is a lot smaller though, which makes all those muscles tighter, helps ward off constipation, keep organs upright a little more, etc. Good stuff.

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Re: Pelvic Organ Prolapse: "Organs at the Door"
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2009, 10:13:41 AM » by createddaisy

Thanks for the info about bioflavinoids! THe antiinflammitories I have been using (mostly EPO and whole food vitamin c) have been great and I'd love even more!
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From what I read vitamin C, turmeric, ginger, even sublingual b12 are anti inflammatories.
C, turmeric, and ginger are the best ones I have read about. I know the ginger and turmeric help me a lot.

I know what you mean about things being bad if you do not do your exercises every day.
I do pay for it if I don't discipline myself to do it every day. Plus if I lift to much. And sometimes I cannot figure out what causes the pain for that day. I try to keep my days pretty much the same to limit the time I am down and people having to help me.

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