Meat & Bone Stock/Broth

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2008, 12:47:04 PM » by naturalgirl

Ox tail?!!! That is like gold in our meat department here. When I asked about it the butcher said that it has quite a bit of fat on it. He mentioned that it makes wonderful stock, like Sarah K. said. He said that it would be good baked with water in the oven for a long time until the bones get soft. A wonderful base for soup and a good remedy for brittle hair, nails and bones, etc.

Enjoy your oxtail!

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2008, 02:09:14 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: naturalgirl on June 16, 2008, 12:47:04 PM

Thanks! I have never used it before, so I am quite excited to try it out, tonight.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2008, 11:40:30 PM » by blondiegreen

Does anyone know if you can can homemade chicken broth like you would tomato sauce or jelly? Or is it better frozen?
Thanks!

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2008, 02:45:52 AM » by herbalmom

Quote from: blondiegreen on June 16, 2008, 11:40:30 PM

Does anyone know if you can can homemade chicken broth like you would tomato sauce or jelly? Or is it better frozen? Thanks!

Yes. Boil it down to make it double strength (saves space) & follow the directions in the Ball Blue book, other good canning book, or GOOD on line instructions. Keep in mind, stock/broth is LOW acid & MUST be PRESSURE canned. As long as you properly pressure can it you will be fine.

Warning DO NOT boil it down more than double strength before canning- stock/broth thickens as it's concentrated & if it thickens too much the heat won't penetrate the same so the canning times won't be right.

If you end up deciding to freeze it instead you can boil it down much further to concentrate it than you can when canning it. For ex, boil 1 gal of stock/broth down to a quart before freezing. The more you boil it down the thicker/syrupy it gets. (It gets syrupy if you REALLY concentrate it.) Add water before using. Highly concentrated stock/broth can be frozen in ice cub trays & a cube used in many places you would normally add a bullion cube for flavor such as gravies, sauces, etc.

Note- the more you boil down broth/stock the thicker it gets & the easier it will burn. (voice of experience here Roll Eyes

) If you are highly concentrating broth/stock transferring it to a smaller pan & lowering the temp as it reduces in volume will lessen the chance of burning. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2008, 10:33:47 AM » by healthybratt

Hey, I got a deer leg coming. Is there any reason I couldn't use the bone to make broth? Anyone have any documentation or experience with this? Any suggestions?

What about pheasant or rabbit bones?

Are there toxicities? Health concerns?

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2008, 10:54:46 AM » by sunshine4th

HB~
My FIL says it tastes gross and he can eat anything. I don't know about anything else but I wanted to pass on why I haven't attempted it yet. Maybe you could put enough spices to cover it up.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2008, 10:56:37 AM » by CountyCork

Rabbits are not healthful. A person's body uses up more energy to digest rabbit and therefore ends up at a defecit.

We read an interesting story (there are more than one) in a survival book about a man who starved to death living on rabbit meat. His body simply could not handle it.

So I guess I'd avoid rabbit. Biblically it's listed as unclean, so I believe there must be some health risks involved.

Deer is great, but will give a "gamey" flavor to the broth which some people mind and some people don't. If you use venison broth for venison stew or chili, it would be good!

I personally have made broth from pheasant and duck both and it does have a strong flavor, but again, if you don't mind it then it's good. Just make sure to skim ALL the fat and scuzz off the top, as that's where all the strong gamey flavor resides in wild game.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2008, 11:05:48 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: CountyCork on June 28, 2008, 10:56:37 AM

I wasn't planning on sustaining on it, merely using it in place of chicken or beef broth in recipes. I don't think it should take much work for the body to digest a bone marrow broth, but I could be wrong. Does anyone know if it's toxic or have any documentation on why else it might be harmful?

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2008, 03:06:45 PM » by healthybratt

Okay, thanx for the answers on the rabbit meat, but my question was regarding any possible toxicity in the bones. If anyone has had any experience in using rabbit bones in broths, I'd appreciate your responses.

The other answers were split and moved here.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19076.msg191539.html#msg191539

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2008, 04:13:35 PM » by SarahK

I did some brief research on what I was remembering about a concern in our area in the last 10 years. It's called Chronic Wasting Disease and the deer hunters in our area (don't have elk or other such game like that) were investigating the potential problems.

Here's the article I found to be helpful (may be a bit thick with terminology). It's on the CDC site.

http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/EID/vol10no6/03-1082.htm

and this quote from it:

As a precaution, hunters should avoid eating deer and elk tissues known to harbor the CWD agent (e.g., brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen, tonsils, lymph nodes) from areas where CWD has been identified.

I have never heard any such problem with rabbits or game birds in my extended family of generational hunters. Given what I have read, I would want to do a little more looking about bone marrow specifically before using the bones for broth for my family. Once that was "OK"ed, than I would sure go ahead.

Sarah K

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2008, 10:13:46 PM » by healthyinOhio

Got a question for those who make chicken stock with chicken feet. Is it suppose to smell like poop when it is cooking? It smells really really nasty! The feet were completely CLEAN when I got them. So, I don't think it has anything to do with being dirty.
ICK! They are SO disgusting to look at. I had no idea that chickens had such long creepy nails. YUCK! I feel like I am making a witch's brew, or something. Tongue

(I am such a city girl)

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2008, 12:32:23 PM » by lotsaboys

I've had some chicken stock smell a little weird at times, but I don't think it had to do with the feet as I use them nearly every time. They really make it nicely gelled! Sorry yours doesn't smell good. Undecided

I know what you mean about witches brew! My oldest son, a tease, took a pic of the feet floating in the stock and threatened to show it to folks who come to eat at our house. Roll Eyes

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2008, 12:40:15 PM » by CountyCork

HIO - did you throw in some eye of newt? Wink

I have a huge pot for my broth and my hubs teases me about stirring up the mystery stuff in my cauldron. That sassy man.

HIO, if your broth still stinks after cooling and straining and skimming fat, then I would wonder about it. How is it today?

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2008, 01:15:10 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: CountyCork on June 30, 2008, 12:40:15 PM

HIO - did you throw in some eye of newt? Wink

Aw, man, forgot the eyes. Thanks, CC! Wink

Well, the finished broth smells the same. So, maybe it is just normal for "feet" broth to stink more than just a normal carcass? The color is much darker with the feet, too.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2008, 02:48:43 PM » by LKS

I am not a city girl. Farm raised all my life. I KNOW where & WHAT chickens walk in. Feet are for the dogs Tongue

Sorry. I know I'm not politically correct (at least on WTM Cheesy

) but chicken feet are just too gross. Lips Sealed

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2008, 03:06:51 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: LKS on June 30, 2008, 02:48:43 PM

I am not a city girl. Farm raised all my life. I KNOW where & WHAT chickens walk in. Feet are for the dogs Tongue

Sorry. I know I'm not politically correct (at least on WTM Cheesy

) but chicken feet are just too gross. Lips Sealed

I agree, now!!!!
Okay, made some chicken noodle soup and it tastes YUCKY! No more chicken feet for me! Sorry, MS. Fallon, but I will pass on the gelatin, here! Grin

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2008, 03:07:52 PM » by Gigi

Quote from: healthyinOhio

I had no idea that chickens had such long creepy nails. YUCK! I feel like I am making a witch's brew, or something.

Hee Hee!! This made me laugh HiO!! Cheesy

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2008, 03:19:43 PM » by CountyCork

I got some feet from our chicken friends and they sat in my freezer and stared at me and reminded me that Sally Fallon said they were good, and finally I threw them in the trash. I simply could NOT abide by the look of them. Prehistoric, really!

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2008, 04:05:02 PM » by cecac

And here I wuz feeling bad that all those chicken feet are sitting in the freeze from the chickens my family (minus me Wink

) took off the chickens they butchered. You all are giving me a really good reason to leave 'em be.

How many chicken feet did you put in that pot HIO? I put two feet per pot, and it didn't stink, etc. I think we did pour hot water over them before we put them in the pot, though. And I didn't get any more gelatin in those pots of broth than I did with any others without them, so I dunno, maybe it isn't worth it.

Oh, and dogs (the disgusting brutes) will eat them raw, whole.

Cara

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2008, 05:20:03 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: cecac on June 30, 2008, 04:05:02 PM

How many chicken feet did you put in that pot HIO?

Just two. I am not a foot glutton or anything. Cheesy

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2008, 11:16:54 PM » by lotsaboys

I dunno, HIO. That sounds just really weird to have it smell like poop! And I remember you mentioned claws. The feet we use for broth have been totally skinned, think pulling off socks inside out, and there are no claws remaining. Its like just the inside of the feet, basically like bone in color and texture. Where'd you get them?

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2008, 04:09:14 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: lotsaboys on June 30, 2008, 11:16:54 PM

Ew! Mine had skin and claws attatched. There is NO way I am peeling my chicken legs! YUCK-A-ROONIES!! Cheesy

I purchased them at my local Chinese restaurant. LOL! Kidding! I got them with my 10 free-range organic chickens that I bought at our local co-op.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2008, 04:47:26 PM » by LKS

If you crack your bones & boil them down you will get plenty of gelatin w/out the poopy feet Grin

Lotsaboys---WHO skins your chicken feet? Huh

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2008, 08:35:24 PM » by Whiterock

My mom said that Granny Trudy scraped the "scales" off feet (and took off the toenails). She said that the feet were white after she scraped them.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2008, 09:24:07 PM » by jenstar

When we butchered our chickens last fall, I kept the feet (and took some ribbing for it from our friends/family that were helping us). As I cut them off the bird, I threw them in a 5g pail filled with cold water + 2 TBS bleach. When we were done with the birds, I just took a scrub brush to the "best looking" feet (ie. least poopy or scaly). I rinsed them well and bagged them in Ziploc bags. I have used them in my stock all winter and made the best stock I ever have. Real rich and dark - and it set up firm when cold. They do look yukky in my freezer - esp. when all the toe nails poke through the plastic bag Undecided

But it was worth it and I will do it again.

BTW I do look up and down the street to make sure no one is around when I walk from the garage to the house with a handfull of frozen chicken claws. Grin

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2008, 01:36:08 PM » by JuliaofSunnyside

This is a recipe for a "Fall Tonic" from Learning Herbs. They have some great ideas and recipes. It's basically chicken stock with some immune boosting herbs that you just drink on a regular basis to keep your immune system up.

http://www.learningherbs.com/news_issue_21.html

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2008, 08:26:35 PM » by Melie

Quote from: JuliaofSunnyside on October 11, 2008, 01:36:08 PM

Thank you SO much for this. It is fabulous. I basically just made the broth from NT and added the herbs from this recipe. Burdock, Hawthorne berries, Astragulus and Dandelion Root. I also added a whole bunch of garlic. I don't think the NT recipe calls for garlic but maybe I am wrong? We are fighting something REALLY bad here and we've had chicken noodle soup made with this broth every day. To the soup I add a couple TB's of Supertonic (hot peppers, horseradish, ginger & onions blended with ACV) to my husband and my bowl and a couple tablespoons to the pot, so it's not too hot for the kids. It actually tastes really very good. Very similar to Asian Hot and Sour soup, only spicer. This is the only thing we've had for dinner this whole week. I just keep making more and adding the leftovers in. I always feel a little better for a while after I eat it. I warm up for sure and then my cough, congestion and sore throat seem to improve for a while.
Just thought I'd pass that along.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2008, 04:34:43 PM » by herbalmom

OK, so it's hunting season & I'm going to try to round up some bones of whatever kind of game to make bone broth. With everyone in the family having leaky gut, yeast, etc would love to start using more broth for gut healing. I figure even if I can't get game meat (DH hunts but because of his work schedule hasn't been able to go hunting in years- now that he's changed jobs I think he's going to go hunting next year) I may be able to get bones anyway.

So my question is, are there any game animals that the bones make lousy broth? Anything I should avoid & just plan on feeding to the dogs? TIA Blessings ~herbalmom

Edited to add: Any animal in the Deer family (Deer, Elk, etc) can be infected with Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) which can be transmitted to humans. You shouldn't use the bones to make broth. I found this out AFTER posting this so I'm adding this warning.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2008, 06:09:09 PM » by Whiterock

A few people here have said that you shouldn't use deer bones. But if anyone there hunts wild turkey or other game birds, that might be really good.

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Re: Meat & Bone Stock/Broth
« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2008, 06:20:24 PM » by herbalmom

I didn't notice mention of not using deer bones. Rabbit is the only no-no I've noticed & even that seemed more to do with the fact that rabbit is too lean to live on but of course I'm not trying to live on rabbit, just have broth in our diets.

Any idea of the reason why no deer? Deer & Elk are what I'm most likely to get around here. It's Elk season right now & although I don't know when deer opens, I'm sure it's soon. TIA Blessings ~herbalmom

Edited to add: Any animal in the Deer family (Deer, Elk, etc) can be infected with Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) which can be transmitted to humans. You shouldn't use the bones to make broth. I found this out AFTER posting this so I'm adding this warning.

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