Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2007, 02:33:43 PM » by miff aka Missi

Quote from: Pennie on February 11, 2007, 10:57:36 AM

I'm not sure this is relevant here. If HPV cervical cancer? or they just think the one leads to the other? ...

HPV is a virus that CAN cause cervical changes and CAN cause cervical cancer. It does not always, but can. Some cervical cancer develops without the woman having HPV. The numbers are not always the same- some report that 70% of cervical cancer is caused by HPV and other reports say 90%. So there is 10-30% of cervical cancer that is not related to HPV.

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2007, 05:41:13 PM » by joyinautism

Sadly the Governor of Texas just sign into law this last week that the HPV vaccine will be mandatory for all girls in Texas of Jr High age I believe. Here in Minnesota many of my friends are already been pressured with the, "What, you want your daughter to die of cervical cancer ?" It is all so very tragic, abstinence will do the same thing and better with no physical, mental or spiritual side effects.

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« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2007, 05:52:04 PM » by Kati*did

I heard about some of the neurological side effects girls were having from this vaccine and decided to look it up further on the internet. This is some scary reading:

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"GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long they were followed up. VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young girls who have received the shot," said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. "At the same time, parents who take their daughters to private pediatricians are going to be shocked to find that they will be paying two to three times the widely publicized $360 cost for the three-dose series. The cost is going to break the pocketbooks of parents and break the banks of both insurance companies and taxpayers, when the reality is that almost all cases of HPV- associated cervical cancer can be prevented with annual pap screening of girls who are sexually active."

Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21 states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of vaccination.

"The most frequent serious health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms," said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. "These young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness, tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes, seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."

VAERS reports also indicate the doctors are administering GARDASIL to girls and women at the same with Tdap, DT, meningococcal (Menactra), hepatitis A, and other vaccines, even though the Merck product insert states that, with the exception of hepatitis B vaccine, "Co-administration of GARDASIL with other vaccines has not been studied." There is no publicly available information about how many of the 9 to 15 year old girls in Merck's pre- licensure clinical trials received GARDASIL simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine.

I got that from this site if you want to check out the whole thing:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=62176

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #93 on: February 15, 2007, 11:52:00 AM » by healthybratt

I just went to WIC this morning and they are already passing out this vax at the clinic.

I asked the nurse how much she knew about pending legislation and possible side effects. She had no idea about any of the things discussed on here. Undecided

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2007, 03:34:58 PM » by Pennie

Sorry if this had already been said but I just heard a talk radio show guy say that gov perry it had been discovered got a 50,000 dollar contribution from merck about the time he started requiring this vaccine. Shocked

Can't say I'm really shocked but that is dispicable.

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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2007, 04:41:29 PM » by herbalmom

I just heard on Family News in Focus that Texas is trying right now to overturn Gov. Perry's order on this so maybe everyone in Texas can still do something about this. They were also saying the Merck was backtracking & slowing down on the push to make it a required imm. I can't link anything right now or internet search but I figure that Focus on the Family's website would have more info about it. Blessings ~herbalmom

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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2007, 06:03:17 PM » by makingchanges

The HPV vaccine is in TX news daily. Yes, the legislators are trying to pass a bill to stop it. Here are some links. IMO bost Texans believe that Perry was bought off as you will gather from these links.

http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_XGR_Cervical_Cancer.html
http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Cervical_Cancer.htm

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« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2007, 07:32:37 PM » by JoyInHim

I agree, but remember, HVP is -very- easy to get. Contact is required, but not genital contact. My OB told me that it can be gotten off a toilet seat. It is not limited to sexual contact.

Quote from: joyfullyhis on October 08, 2006, 10:38:21 PM

This disturbed me. The funny thing is, it seems the drug companies are now beginning to develop vaccines that will help take away the consequences of our various actions. I am all for keeping our kids disease free, but why would I want my 13 year old to be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted disease? To me that would almost be encouraging sexual behavior without consequences.....at least that is the way it seems to me.

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« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2007, 10:32:28 PM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 20, 2007, 07:32:37 PM

I agree, but remember, HVP is -very- easy to get. Contact is required, but not genital contact. My OB told me that it can be gotten off a toilet seat. It is not limited to sexual contact.

Quote from: joyfullyhis on October 08, 2006, 10:38:21 PM

i wish we could know for sure. Undecided

my local midwife said it can't live on a toilet seat or any surface. aren't our immune systems meant to fend off things like this too? just like colds and flu? just wondering...... that would be cool. Cool

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #99 on: April 20, 2007, 10:46:29 PM » by SC

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 20, 2007, 07:32:37 PM

I agree, but remember, HVP is -very- easy to get. Contact is required, but not genital contact. My OB told me that it can be gotten off a toilet seat. It is not limited to sexual contact.

If I had a Dr. deliver this type of blatant misinformation I would get a new doctor. Either this physician is horribly uninformed, or he/she is knowingly misleading his/her patients. Either way, I would no longer have any confidence in the truthfulness/trustworthiness of his/her recommendations. Even if I disagree with a course of action, I require honest facts from my health care practitioners. IMO it is much easier to find a doctor you can trust BEFORE a health care crisis than to wait until there is an emergency and you are left with doubts.

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« Reply #100 on: April 21, 2007, 07:20:43 AM » by petrimama

I was just thinking...many immunizations are required in NY, but there are 2 general ways out of doing them:
1. Homeschool and find a doctor who doesn't harass you about it;
2. Site religious reasons for not using certain vaccines and hope everyone doesn't just assume you are in a weird cult that shuns medical care, while risking the health/life of your child. (Some people assume the worst whenever someone is different, unfortunately.)
Wouldn't that work for this as well? ~L

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« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2007, 08:24:14 AM » by JoyInHim

I understand SC, but it is critical to deal with facts and not fear, in considering our health care decisions.

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If I had a Dr. deliver this type of blatant misinformation I would get a new doctor. Either this physician is horribly uninformed, or he/she is knowingly misleading his/her patients. Either way, I would no longer have any confidence in the truthfulness/trustworthiness of his/her recommendations. Even if I disagree with a course of action, I require honest facts from my health care practitioners. IMO it is much easier to find a doctor you can trust BEFORE a health care crisis than to wait until there is an emergency and you are left with doubts.

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This OB is one of the good ones Grin

He fully supported me giving birth at home, (without a doctor or nurse) believes in many of the things spoken about here, and happens to deal with this issue constantly, because this virus is everywhere.

I wish HPV -were- limited to those who fornicate, but unfortunately, it is not. Happily, -most- of the population will not even notice they've gotten the virus, and will not suffer consequences such as genital warts or cancer - these are issues I wanted to address from my research.

My OB told me it is possible for one spouse to pick up HPV and have it for years, and later infect their spouse, having no fornication whatsoever, either of them. This virus is very prevelant, and the 'crises' mode, imo, is simply to market the new vaccine. This was about 6 years ago, and my own research, back then, confirmed his information.

The fact is, HPV is typically spread via sexual contact, but can live on the skin, and is not limited to sexual contact. Most of us, by age 50 or so, will test positive for exposure to HPV. Most of us will have dealt with this particular virus as effectively as all the other viruses a person deals with in a lifetime, and never realized they had.

Abstinance and monogamy are not 100% guarantee that one will not contract this extremely common virus. In fact, most sources report that 50%-80% of all people will have this virus during their lifetime, during this country (the older the person, the more likely they will have contracted it.) There are many viruses that rather affect the general population.

Like most vaccines, fear is the tool used to market Gardisal.

My opinon on this and most viruses is that good nutrition and health is the best defense, not a vaccine (which is nowhere near as effective as one would hope, and only for some of the strains of HPV).

We will not be recommending this vaccine to our (when grown) dd's.

One of the best collections of vaccine research is found at Mary Tocco's website. Mary is a personal friend and has researched this issue for over 25 years - her site is a wealth of resources for anyone wanting more information on vaccines and health:

http://www.marytocco.com/

You can read more about how HPV is contracted by doing a quick search, and there are a couple links below.

http://www.health-science-report.com/hpv/human-papillomavirus/contracting-hpv.html

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2000/12/07/University/Condoms.Do.Not.Stop.Highly.Prevalent.Hpv.Health.Officials.Say-701462.shtml

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #102 on: April 21, 2007, 08:54:21 AM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: petrimama on April 21, 2007, 07:20:43 AM

2. Site religious reasons for not using certain vaccines and hope everyone doesn't just assume you are in a weird cult that shuns medical care, while risking the health/life of your child. (Some people assume the worst whenever someone is different, unfortunately.)
Wouldn't that work for this as well? ~L

The only problem with this is you HAVE to show proof that you are in a religious sect that disagrees with medicine and vaccines, i.e. Christian Scientist. You have to show membership to this type of an organization or some sort of baptismal certificate and thus are raising your children to that type of a church. Otherwise, you need to say: Philosophical reasons. I am a born-again believer in Jesus Christ and my husband believes that according to the scriptures we would be violating them to put toxins into our children's bodies, but that is NOT good enough for the government to believe. This is why we say philisophical reasons at the ER and so on. Just want to make sure people are informed, before they state that in a hospital or doctor's office.

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« Reply #103 on: April 21, 2007, 08:55:54 AM » by JoyInHim

Yes - and only a small portion of the many strains are linked to cancer.

Quote from: miff aka Missi on February 11, 2007, 02:33:43 PM

Quote from: Pennie on February 11, 2007, 10:57:36 AM

I'm not sure this is relevant here. If HPV cervical cancer? or they just think the one leads to the other? ...

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« Reply #104 on: April 21, 2007, 09:09:06 AM » by JoyInHim

Hi Missi -

The problem is, there are many health concerns about this vaccine. It contains elements that are harmful (like all vaccines) such as aluminum and I was reading about one element that is identical to roach killer. Injecting this stuff into children can be more harmful than allowing them to live a healthful, natural life.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective vaccine, either. The presence of a vaccine does not guarantee the absense of the disease.

Sexually pure people can and -are- getting this virus, and the vast majority of them never know it and their healthy systems deal with it naturally and effectively.

It is not airborne or a 'handshake disease.' But it can be spread via contact. A condom, for example, does NOT provide adequate protection for HPV (I've spent 2 years trying to educate our local school district on this specific peice of information hoping to influence their 'abstainanced based' sex ed curriculum choices, which say condoms provide protection.)

It does not require genital to genital contact, or sexual intercourse, to spread. It can spread through intercourse with a condom, transmission through skin contact outside of the condom area (forgive my bluntness here.)

It is not clear what other ways it can spread, but many feel toilet seats can be an issue. Consider hand to toilet seat, or handle, or stall door latch...to mouth, face or eyes during the bathroom visit (grooming, handwashing, etc.) I believe after my research that this virus must spread that easily, since the majority of the population will have it by a certain age (at least 50% and as high as 80% of women by age 50, according to research I've conducted.)

I've personally researched vaccines (in general and specifics) and STDs (for a 2 year commitment to our public school district sex ed curriculum selection committee) for the past 15 years.

A couple of the most reliable sites (for accurate pro/con information) are below - we all need to make educated decisions when it comes to vaccines.

http://www.marytocco.com/ is -loaded- with links to other information, and Mary is very honest and trustworthy in her writings. She is a fellow believer with a passion for natural health.

This is our own state organization which dh and I have been very involved in in the past -
http://www.momvaccines.org/index.html

You can find your local state information by doing a search - that would help with legal issues (we have waiver laws in MI, so can make our own choices and have never had a problem legally.)

Quote from: miff aka Missi on February 11, 2007, 12:46:08 AM

Well, ladies. I have to say that I am a bit perplexed here. Some posts indicate that HVP is a sexually transmitted disease. (My understanding.) And some other posts say that it is very easy to pick up... sexually pure people can get it... maybe get it from a toilet seat... (I'd never heard any of this before.)

Can someone help out here? Is this an STD or an airborne disease or a hand-shake transmitted disease?

I would really like to have some web sites, book titles, magazine articles, something... to go along with the posts that say that this is a casually transmitted virus. I have not read anything that backs this up and I really would like to.

Maybe this is a very easy virus to catch and you don't have to be sexually unpure to get it. Wouldn't that make a difference in determining if it should be a manditory vaccination? (Can opt out just like any other.) Wouldn't that make a difference to those folks who do vaccinate? Maybe they would want to vaccinate against HVP if they KNEW that it wasn't just sexually transmitted.

Missi

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« Reply #105 on: April 21, 2007, 09:10:45 AM » by JoyInHim

SC, I recently posted a couple links for your information, to back up my 'speculation.' Roll Eyes

Quote from: SC on February 11, 2007, 09:36:54 AM

I've not seen any documentation on HPV being anything but sexually transmitted. I've only seen others speculate that there are other forms of transmission on this thread.

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« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2007, 09:26:00 AM » by JoyInHim

Does your state provide the philosophical exemption, then?

This is what we use on our waivers. We also state medical (as we have 3 cases of Autism in our children's cousins, and they have one half-sister who has had severe side effects and had to stop vaccines as a baby.)

A Christian certainly can justify a philosophical (non-religious) exemption.

Acts talks about not consuming blood. Blood products (even fetal tissue) are used to develop vaccines.

We simply state that vaccines violate our personal medical philosophy of avoiding disease (injecting it would violate that conviction.)

You are correct that to claim a religious exemption often would prompt a request for affiliation with a certain group (Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, etc.)

Medical typically requires a doctor's note - we have never been asked for that one - and our dc are in public schools. I've been questioned, and point blank state that our pediatrition (I don't really 'have' one but have seen them for my newborns to establish a paper record) informed us we should not consider vaccines with our family history, which is true. (Merely backed up our own decision Grin

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Honest people, research to locate, (I've provided links) your own state exemption form. You may have to write your capital building, but you will receive the forms. Public school offices are required to carry them, so you can drop in the office and request one (I doubt many do, ours do after we informed them of this requirement).

Simply GET that form, and fill it out and keep copies. You'd be amazed how people respect an official form with the state logo at the top, Grin

As parents, we MUST make our children's health care decisions. Vaccines are DRUGS and we must give them ONLY when we deem necessary for their good health -- also, please consider and research each vaccine separately. You are absolutely entitled to select and choose which vaccines you would like to give. Polio and Tetnus are typically considered the safest (least side effects), a holistic MD we used to visit used to recommend only these (we passed, not living near farm animals and seeing no natural polio cases in the US in 4 decades.)

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« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2007, 09:49:26 AM » by Pennie

Hm, I don't have any forms. My Ped. basically disagrees with me on it. Said he would be afraid NOT to vaccinate his grandchildren(in general not just discussing this one)gave me a big lecture when I took my newborn in now 1. He said but I am the parent and it's my decision. I had to take one son to the ER a few yrs ago, I just said we choose not to do that. Course that sent them into overdrive testing for pertussis but they didn't have any "thoughts" for me. I am not looking at another son having a minor surgery and just plan to tell them the same thing. He had this same minor surgery once b/f and when they asked I just said he's up to date when they asked and the didn't question or want proof but I decided that wasn't honest. I had a nurse really ? me about why I didn't want my now 4 yr old to the the hep b in the hospital. I can't remember what I told her now. It probly didn't sound like I knew what I was talking about......but I have had 4 yrs to think and read about it. My ped did tell me if what I had read and learned was on the 'net that I really couldn't put much "stock" into. He gave a me "scare" story once too. A nine week old that died w/in hours of getting sick. He was too young for the vaccine but his older siblings brought it home to him. They didn't get sick but b/c he was so young he did..........It didn't really scare me but I did come home and talk to my husband about it and we agreed we were still making the right choice for our family. I thanked the dr. told him I appreciated his concern, advice and wisdom and I would talk to my husband about it. I don't go for well baby visits so she hasn't been back b/c she hasn't been sick so we have never discussed it again.....

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« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2007, 10:19:21 AM » by SC

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 21, 2007, 09:10:45 AM

SC, I recently posted a couple links for your information, to back up my 'speculation.' Roll Eyes

Quote from: SC on February 11, 2007, 09:36:54 AM

I've not seen any documentation on HPV being anything but sexually transmitted. I've only seen others speculate that there are other forms of transmission on this thread.

I followed the links. I read the material. The fact remains that there are several types of HPV. One type of HPV will cause warts on the fingers and/or soles of the feet. However the type that can set the stage for cervical cancer and cause genital warts is ONLY transmitted by sexual contact. Persons who have had sexual contact outside of marriage (even if it was prior to marriage) are at risk. HPV is rampant because of BEHAVIOR that people thought was 'safe.' They were wrong.

You CANNOT contract this strain of HPV except by placing your privates up against an infected person. Toilet seats are not made of skin.

Here are just three sources that support my statements. There are thousands more.

http://www.gardasil.com/risk-for-hpv.html

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Anyone who has any kind of sexual activity involving genital contact with an infected person can get HPV—-intercourse isn't necessary.
• Many people who may have HPV may not show any signs or symptoms, so they can pass the virus on without even knowing it.
HPV is easily transmitted. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 20 million people in the United States already had HPV in 2005.
According to the CDC, the only way you can totally protect yourself against HPV is to avoid any sexual activity that involves genital contact. HPV Types 6, 11, 16, and 18 account for the majority of HPV-related clinical diseases.

http://www.womenshealthcaretopics.com/hpv.htm

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Genital warts are highly contagious and can be spread through oral, genital and anal intercourse. If you have been exposed to genital warts you may not show any symptoms for up to three months after the initial contact with the infected person.

http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/infections/std/genital_warts.html

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Genital warts are transmitted through sexual contact with an infected person. HPV can be contracted via anal, oral, and vaginal intercourse, and warts can appear within several weeks or months after sexual relations.

I do hope that this helps clarify the issue for any mamas that were thinking the only way they could protect their daughters was with a vaccine.

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« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2007, 06:29:53 PM » by JoyInHim

Well, SC, you are certainly welcome to draw your own conclusions

I did read your quoted sources, and did not note that any of them claimed HPV is -exclusively- spread via sexual contact.

Genital warts are a possible symptom of HPV, but not for all strains, and not for all infected.

Cancer from HPV is still a remote but possible concern (for one infected with specific strains, for which the vaccine is supposed to cover). There are many, many strains of HPV, and a couple of them -can- be pre-cancerous (virtually all of certain reproductive cancers begin with those strains, cervical cancer being the one most are concerned about, if I recall correctly.)

My point is, many people have and will have HPV, and will never know it.
Including many of us who have NEVER had sexual contact outside of marriage.

Most healthy individuals who contract HPV (regardless of how) WILL recover from it without cancer or warts.

I agree with you that the vaccine is (definitely) not the only way to protect children - in fact, I doubt it offers much protection at all and I feel the risks far outweigh the possible benefits for the general population.

And of course I agree with you that no sex until marriage to a pure partner, and then monogamy is the very best way to remain healthy regarding any STD including viruses such as HPV.

Those considering this vaccine need to research, research, research. There is a lot of difficulty when a vaccine is new, getting good, accurate information. One doctor told me he would never consider a vaccine that has been public for less than a decade for his own children, that the trials really begin once it is released to the public. (My allergist, actually.)

Quote from: SC on April 21, 2007, 10:19:21 AM

I do hope that this helps clarify the issue for any mamas that were thinking the only way they could protect their daughters was with a vaccine.

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« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2007, 07:34:38 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 21, 2007, 06:29:53 PM

My point is, many people have and will have HPV, ...
Including many of us who have NEVER had sexual contact outside of marriage.

Would you mind sharing your source? I find this very interesting and would like to look into it further.

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« Reply #111 on: April 22, 2007, 07:00:42 AM » by petrimama

Thank you. ~L

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« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2007, 08:04:14 AM » by healthyinOhio

SC and JoyinHim,

Is there a possibility that there are two theories that have documentation that supposedly backs both points up? Kind of like soy. There is so called proof that it is a "health or miracle food" and there is proof that it is detrimental to your health. Same with fluoride or tea or anything else. Maybe this is what we are running into. Just a thought I had. WDYT?

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« Reply #113 on: April 22, 2007, 08:46:09 AM » by SC

Quote from: healthyinOhio on April 22, 2007, 08:04:14 AM

Yes, I concur. When I find this happening, I follow the $ trail and/or the philosophical trail. In other words, I ask questions like "Who would benefit from the thinking that HPV is transmitted by means other than sexual contact? Who would want to promote the thinking that HPV is not a natural consequence of sexual exposure?" The answers I find send me along many of the same pathways that were covered when advocates for AIDS research were claiming that 'everyone' was at risk and we needed to devote all of our resources to finding a cure. These are some of the same arguments that are used to claim that vaccinations with mercury preservatives are 'harmless' and 'necessary' for our children's health.

Also, in digging around for documentation of the claims that HPV is other than sexually transmitted, I find no hard scientific proof to back up the claim. By this, I mean that I haven't yet found any case with good documentation (with duplicative results) where HPV was transmitted by other means. The only thing I have been able to find are (A) scare tactic arguments for immunizing your children and (B) assurances that there are no real consequences for 'safe' sex and HPV could have been picked up some other way. Is my research exhaustive? No. Is it enough to assure me that my exposure to HPV is directly measured by my sexual contact? Yes.

So, for me, it takes a much greater leap of faith to believe these claims as they -- IMO -- have no basis in science and/or verifiable proof.

I am an advocate for others being able to make INFORMED decisions. In other words, if you are determining whether or not to subject yourself or a member of your family to a medical procedure and/or treatment, you need to know exactly what the benefits, limits and risks of that procedure are as well as alternative means of getting those benefits (if any). Also, if you are dealing with a medical condition, you need to know what causes that condition, how your body developed that condition and what will be necessary to bring about healing in your body or treating the condition. I do not limit myself to medical treatments/knowledge, but look also at other natural treatments as well.

That's why I sometimes word things strongly when I sense that a source is being less than honest/genuine in its information. When it comes to my family's health, I don't have patience with those who are trying to promote an agenda. I'm also a bit of a mother hen when I think that a medical professional is pressuring someone to set aside their own good sense and squash inquiries. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #114 on: April 22, 2007, 04:00:10 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: SC on April 22, 2007, 08:46:09 AM

Yes, I concur. When I find this happening, I follow the $ trail and/or the philosophical trail.

EXACTLY!!

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2007, 07:53:54 PM » by babymakers

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 21, 2007, 09:26:00 AM

Does your state provide the philosophical exemption, then?

This is what we use on our waivers. We also state medical (as we have 3 cases of Autism in our children's cousins, and they have one half-sister who has had severe side effects and had to stop vaccines as a baby.)

A Christian certainly can justify a philosophical (non-religious) exemption.

Acts talks about not consuming blood. Blood products (even fetal tissue) are used to develop vaccines.

We simply state that vaccines violate our personal medical philosophy of avoiding disease (injecting it would violate that conviction.)

You are correct that to claim a religious exemption often would prompt a request for affiliation with a certain group (Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, etc.)

Medical typically requires a doctor's note - we have never been asked for that one - and our dc are in public schools. I've been questioned, and point blank state that our pediatrician (I don't really 'have' one but have seen them for my newborns to establish a paper record) informed us we should not consider vaccines with our family history, which is true. (Merely backed up our own decision Grin

As parents, we MUST make our children's health care decisions. Vaccines are DRUGS and we must give them ONLY when we deem necessary for their good health -- also, please consider and research each vaccine separately. You are absolutely entitled to select and choose which vaccines you would like to give. Polio and Tetanus are typically considered the safest (least side effects), a holistic MD we used to visit used to recommend only these (we passed, not living near farm animals and seeing no natural polio cases in the US in 4 decades.)

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Quote from: petrimama on April 21, 2007, 07:20:43 AM

The only problem with this is you HAVE to show proof that you are in a religious sect that disagrees with medicine and vaccines, i.e. Christian Scientist. You have to show membership to this type of an organization or some sort of baptismal certificate and thus are raising your children to that type of a church. Otherwise, you need to say: Philosophical reasons. I am a born-again believer in Jesus Christ and my husband believes that according to the scriptures we would be violating them to put toxins into our children's bodies, but that is NOT good enough for the government to believe. This is why we say philosophical reasons at the ER and so on. Just want to make sure people are informed, before they state that in a hospital or doctor's office.

I live in Pa and there we sign a form for school saying that I won't give them any information about medical because it is against my religious beliefs. They have never asked ANY questions. I literally don't give them anything. Not even dentist, physicals, eye or hearing checks or medical information of any sort. If they did I would simply say these are my children from God and not the government. They are simply not vaccinating my children....I don't care if it is law or not. Period. They should be thankful I even cooperate with them about our children's school records for being homeschooled. IMO that isn't their business either.

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2007, 07:57:18 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: babymakers on April 22, 2007, 07:53:54 PM

They are simply not vaccinating my children....I don't care if it is law or not. Period. They should be thankful I even cooperate with them about our children's school records for being homeschooled. IMO that isn't their business either.

You go, MOM! Cheesy

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2007, 12:40:00 PM » by JoyInHim

Regarding transmission of HPV -

You will find a couple suggested links earlier in this thread. I did my research 4 years ago (less was known about transmission, I would suspect, and MDs and nurses confirmed that) during my 2 year stint on a reproductive health curriculum (sex ed) committee with our school board. I won't repeat myself, but simply google 'transmission' with 'HPV' or similar for additional links.

There is a LOT of misinformation, even among educators and health professionals, regarding the transmission of disease. (Abstinence Clearinghouse was very helpful in referrals and has a ton of links for research - www.abstinence.net)

For instance, throat cancer is on the rise (several local and national health care professionals I interviewed told me this) because students are not being warned that oral sex behavior passes potentially cancerous viruses on to the throat. One nurse called this a silent epidemic.

Here is one source on throat cancer and HPV -

http://www.rdoc.org.uk/hpv.html

Quote from: healthybratt on April 21, 2007, 07:34:38 PM

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 21, 2007, 06:29:53 PM

My point is, many people have and will have HPV, ...
Including many of us who have NEVER had sexual contact outside of marriage.

Would you mind sharing your source? I find this very interesting and would like to look into it further.

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2007, 12:42:51 PM » by JoyInHim

Yes, I believe you are right. Like vaccines in general, there is little 'black and white' evidence (in my opinon) and many theories. The drug companies stage tests that will back up their claims of efficacy.

But I'm still drinking my green tea and my soy.....but I limit my sons' soy.

And SC and I both agree: there is never a healthy reason (Physically, emotionally or spiritually) to vary from God's instructions regarding purity!

Cheesy

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Re: Human Papillomavirus [HPV] & GARDASIL [Cervical Cancer Vaccine]
« Reply #119 on: April 24, 2007, 11:16:35 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 23, 2007, 12:40:00 PM

Quote from: healthybratt on April 21, 2007, 07:34:38 PM

Quote from: JoyInHim on April 21, 2007, 06:29:53 PM

My point is, many people have and will have HPV, ...
Including many of us who have NEVER had sexual contact outside of marriage.

Would you mind sharing your source? I find this very interesting and would like to look into it further.

I was hoping to get your source for the information. If you've already done the research, maybe you would be kind enough to show us where it came from.

I read the link you provided and found nothing in the article to suggest that you can get HPV from anything other than sexual contact. I also wasn't able to find anything to support this from Google , except in cases where an infant contracts it from birth from a mother who was already infected.

Thanks

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