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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #300 on: January 14, 2009, 11:12:54 PM » by DHW
Here is Ben Kim's take on Cod Liver Oil and Vits A and D:
http://www.drbenkim.com/cod-liver-oil-vitamin-A-D.htm
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #301 on: January 16, 2009, 12:35:23 PM » by denim&lace
OK folks, I have been back on my liquid CLO for four days now.  Here are the changes I've experienced already...

My hair has stopped falling out.
I have started producing a good quantity of milk again.
My skin is not as dry and the horrible itchy-ness is gone!
I'm SLEEPING.
After sleep I WAKE UP REFRESHED!
I'm not throwing cookbooks at the wall anymore... Embarrassed  (my emotions are back to normal and I'm smiling again.)

ALSO!
The day I got back on liquid CLO I gave my 1 yo some.  She had become clingy and whiney over the past month to the point that I could hardly put her down without her crying...  within the hour after getting the CLO she was running around the house smiling and playing(which is 'normal' for her).  She stayed down for about two hours before she came to me to nurse, and then when she was done she went back to the floor and played a couple hours more until bedtime!!!

Right now we are taking the Blue Ice CLO.   


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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #302 on: January 16, 2009, 12:46:54 PM » by joyofthelord
Denim & Lace - how much are you taking daily?
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #303 on: January 16, 2009, 01:50:01 PM » by denim&lace
Quote from: joyofthelord on January 16, 2009, 12:46:54 PM
Denim & Lace - how much are you taking daily?
I'm taking a teaspoon in the morning and three quarters teaspoon at night.  This in accordance with the upper limit of 20,000 UI of vitamin A recommended for pregnant or nursing women by Sally Fallon.  Since I have issues with sugar I don't convert beta carotene into vitamin A, so I am comfortable with that limit...

Baby is taking a quarter teaspoon in the morning, and nursing... so I figured half the 5,000 UI upper limit plus what she gets from nursing. 
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #304 on: January 19, 2009, 02:06:26 PM » by denim&lace
So I recieved a phone call from 'Tim' at Carlson Labs today in regard to an email I had sent last week. 

My questions were as follows:

  • Is Carlson's cod liver oil deodorzied? yes
    If so, are vitamins added back in after the processing? yes, vitamin D is added. 
    What is the source of the added vitamins?  D3 from cod liver oil is added back into the standard lemon flavored CLO, but there is a new product out with a higher dose of vitamin D.  The vitamin D3 in that product is taken from lanolin.
    Is vitamin A removed? yes.  Carlson labs was concerned that many people were taking CLO for low levels of vitamin D and in the process may have been consuming toxic levels of vitamin A, as  most people do get vitamin A from alternate sources, so they do remove vitamin A from the original product.
    Does Carlson's CLO have any added synthetic vitamins? No.
So... I'm going back to Carlson's.  I live in Alaska and honestly, there isn't enough vitamin D in a bottle to make living here 'normal'... but at least with Carlson's we can get adequate amounts of vitamin D without OD'ing on Vitamin A... 


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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #305 on: January 19, 2009, 02:22:30 PM » by CountyCork
D&L - thanks for being such a great researcher!  We've been using Carlson's for a while now and like it, but I'm glad they're fixing the vitamin A deal. 

thanks again!
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #306 on: January 19, 2009, 02:29:23 PM » by Whiterock
Quote from: denim&lace on January 16, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: joyofthelord on January 16, 2009, 12:46:54 PM
Denim & Lace - how much are you taking daily?
I'm taking a teaspoon in the morning and three quarters teaspoon at night.  This in accordance with the upper limit of 20,000 UI of vitamin A recommended for pregnant or nursing women by Sally Fallon.  Since I have issues with sugar I don't convert beta carotene into vitamin A, so I am comfortable with that limit...

Baby is taking a quarter teaspoon in the morning, and nursing... so I figured half the 5,000 UI upper limit plus what she gets from nursing. 

You were taking 1 3/4 tsp of the Blue Ice per day? Oh, but wait, maybe I should ask if it was the High Vitamin Blue Ice CLO from Green Pastures, first? I buy that and have always just taken the amount recommended on the bottle and never bothered to do the math to see how close I was to the recommended amount of Vit A or D.

What other sources of A are you getting that would make you worry about OD'ing on A from CLO? I've never worried about that, 'cause I don't eat a lot of liver, or organ meats and my reading has led me to believe that, despite the FDA warnings, I would just about have live on CLO and organ meats to worry about the vit A. But I am a bit more worried about getting a toxic amount of D.

WR
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #307 on: January 19, 2009, 02:57:19 PM » by denim&lace
Quote from: Whiterock on January 19, 2009, 02:29:23 PM
You were taking 1 3/4 tsp of the Blue Ice per day? Oh, but wait, maybe I should ask if it was the High Vitamin Blue Ice CLO from Green Pastures, first? I buy that and have always just taken the amount recommended on the bottle and never bothered to do the math to see how close I was to the recommended amount of Vit A or D.

What other sources of A are you getting that would make you worry about OD'ing on A from CLO? I've never worried about that, 'cause I don't eat a lot of liver, or organ meats and my reading has led me to believe that, despite the FDA warnings, I would just about have live on CLO and organ meats to worry about the vit A. But I am a bit more worried about getting a toxic amount of D.

WR

Yes, I am taking 1 3/4 teaspoons of Green Pastures Blue Ice Pure Cod Liver Oil.  And so long as you put all of your money on the upper limit of vitamin A given by the Weston Price Foundation....

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Children age 3 months to 12 years: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 5000 IU vitamin A daily
Children over 12 years and adults: A maintenance dose of cod liver oil that provides about 10,000 IU vitamin A daily
Pregnant and nursing women: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 20,000 IU vitamin A daily


that would be OK... but I live in Alaska... I do not get any sunlight all winter long.  And I am borderline diabetic.  I need more than the 1700 IU of Vitamin D that dose of Blue Ice CLO provides. Also, I eat a LOT of eggs and salmon, both of which have significant amounts of vitamin A.  My children also need more natural vitamin D than Blue Ice can give them within the 'safe upper limit' dose of vitamin A.  They do eat a lot of veggies containing beta carotene, which their young healthy bodies should be able to easily convert to vitamin A. 

I believe Carlson's is the right product to deliver for the needs of my family given the circumstances.         


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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #308 on: January 19, 2009, 03:58:00 PM » by RB
In this article from the WPF they have this to say about taking vitamin D without vitamin A. 

In the ABSENCE of vitamin A molecules called "corepressor's" bind to the VDR-RXR complex PREVENT vitamin D from functioning.

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/CLOUpdateDec2008.pdf

I wonder why Carlsons  would take out the vitamin A  in codliver oil, as it  wouldn't be a wholefood anymore,  right??  I'm also wondering if they had  been removing the vitamin A prior to this and then adding vitamin A  back in,  I'm left wondering if they used a natural or synthetic form of vitamin A ??
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #309 on: January 19, 2009, 04:28:14 PM » by Whiterock
That's cool! Like I said, I never did the math, and because I was afraid of od'ing on D I just always took the amount on the bottle, with the intention of doing the math "in a minute".... But I'm more than a little ADD so I never did get around to it. LOL! So the next time I have CLO in the house, I'm going to up my dose to a whole tsp. That would give me 10,000 iu's of A and 1000 iu's of D. Hey, whadda ya know? I can do math. LOL!

Living in the South, like I said, too much vit D has always been the worry for me. But that seems ok for that amount, and if I feel we need more in the winter, then I wouldn't have and problem with taking more 'cause I don't think if the recommendations for A that you posted, as being the "upper limit".  I think that's the amount of A from CLO that they recommend and they are assuming that you are getting A from other sources too. And I don't eat that many eggs (burned out on them when I was preggers) or fish (we're inland and "good" fish is expencive) or organ meats etc. So I feel like those are the "get at least this much" recommendations. Maybe I need to reread that article to be sure (it's been a while), but that's how I've been looking at it.

WR
Quote from: denim&lace on January 19, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
Quote from: Whiterock on January 19, 2009, 02:29:23 PM
You were taking 1 3/4 tsp of the Blue Ice per day? Oh, but wait, maybe I should ask if it was the High Vitamin Blue Ice CLO from Green Pastures, first? I buy that and have always just taken the amount recommended on the bottle and never bothered to do the math to see how close I was to the recommended amount of Vit A or D.

What other sources of A are you getting that would make you worry about OD'ing on A from CLO? I've never worried about that, 'cause I don't eat a lot of liver, or organ meats and my reading has led me to believe that, despite the FDA warnings, I would just about have live on CLO and organ meats to worry about the vit A. But I am a bit more worried about getting a toxic amount of D.

WR

Yes, I am taking 1 3/4 teaspoons of Green Pastures Blue Ice Pure Cod Liver Oil.  And so long as you put all of your money on the upper limit of vitamin A given by the Weston Price Foundation....

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Children age 3 months to 12 years: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 5000 IU vitamin A daily
Children over 12 years and adults: A maintenance dose of cod liver oil that provides about 10,000 IU vitamin A daily
Pregnant and nursing women: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 20,000 IU vitamin A daily


that would be OK... but I live in Alaska... I do not get any sunlight all winter long.  And I am borderline diabetic.  I need more than the 1700 IU of Vitamin D that dose of Blue Ice CLO provides. Also, I eat a LOT of eggs and salmon, both of which have significant amounts of vitamin A.  My children also need more natural vitamin D than Blue Ice can give them within the 'safe upper limit' dose of vitamin A.  They do eat a lot of veggies containing beta carotene, which their young healthy bodies should be able to easily convert to vitamin A. 

I believe Carlson's is the right product to deliver for the needs of my family given the circumstances.         


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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #310 on: January 19, 2009, 04:45:55 PM » by denim&lace
Quote from: RB on January 19, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
In this article from the WPF they have this to say about taking vitamin D without vitamin A. 

In the ABSENCE of vitamin A molecules called "corepressor's" bind to the VDR-RXR complex PREVENT vitamin D from functioning.

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/CLOUpdateDec2008.pdf

I wonder why Carlsons  would take out the vitamin A  in codliver oil, as it  wouldn't be a wholefood anymore,  right??  I'm also wondering if they had  been removing the vitamin A prior to this and then adding vitamin A  back in,  I'm left wondering if they used a natural or synthetic form of vitamin A ??

They don't remove all the vitamin A... and for the most part American's would get adequate vitamin A with the beta carotene they get from veggies and then any other sources they may get it from, such as fatty fish, eggs and/or liver.  Vitamin D on the other hand has become depleted in our video game, office job, 6-8 hours of public school society... where we don't often see the sun.  From my research, most of America is getting plenty of A, but especially in the winter months, far too little D. 

From the way the guy from Carlson's spoke, they have not used synthetic vitmins in their products as a matter of course. 

   
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #311 on: January 19, 2009, 05:01:22 PM » by denim&lace
Quote from: Whiterock on January 19, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
That's cool! Like I said, I never did the math, and because I was afraid of od'ing on D I just always took the amount on the bottle, with the intention of doing the math "in a minute".... But I'm more than a little ADD so I never did get around to it. LOL! So the next time I have CLO in the house, I'm going to up my dose to a whole tsp. That would give me 10,000 iu's of A and 1000 iu's of D. Hey, whadda ya know? I can do math. LOL!

Living in the South, like I said, too much vit D has always been the worry for me. But that seems ok for that amount, and if I feel we need more in the winter, then I wouldn't have and problem with taking more 'cause I don't think if the recommendations for A that you posted, as being the "upper limit".  I think that's the amount of A from CLO that they recommend and they are assuming that you are getting A from other sources too. And I don't eat that many eggs (burned out on them when I was preggers) or fish (we're inland and "good" fish is expencive) or organ meats etc. So I feel like those are the "get at least this much" recommendations. Maybe I need to reread that article to be sure (it's been a while), but that's how I've been looking at it.

WR

I've been to several places looking up information on vitamin D.  From what I can find, vitamin D is safe in levels up to 10,000 IU a day for a normal adult.  Of course, without sunlight that level is almost impossible to attain with a whole natural diet.  A diet with lots of vitamin D fortified foods may provide that... but it will be vitamin D2, not the natural fat soluable vitamin D3 like you get from the sun... or cod liver oil.

Oh, and 10,000 IU a day is about what you would expect to get if you were working or playing outside a lot in the sun where you live... 

As far as those limits go... the whole quote would probably be helpful, huh?

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As a general guideline, we recommend the following doses of vitamin A from cod liver oil, along with a nutrient-dense diet that contains other vitamin A-rich foods:

Children age 3 months to 12 years: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 5000 IU vitamin A daily
Children over 12 years and adults: A maintenance dose of cod liver oil that provides about 10,000 IU vitamin A daily
Pregnant and nursing women: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 20,000 IU vitamin A daily

Individuals under stress or wishing to use cod liver oil to treat a disease condition may take much larger doses, even up to 90,000 IU vitamin A per day, for a period of several weeks.

 

Sorry about that.   

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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #312 on: February 27, 2009, 02:23:51 PM » by kittyninja
OK it's probably here somewhere but I am supposed to be cooking right now so real quick- for a 56 year old woman, would taking omega 3's AND cod liver oil together be TOO MUCH? Trying to figure out what is making her wake up in the middle of the night and that's one thing she started doing differant.
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« Reply #313 on: March 03, 2009, 02:58:03 PM » by kittyninja
BUMP  not cookin now so i will do some research but anyone know?
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #314 on: June 17, 2009, 11:54:32 AM » by Monita
Can the liquid lemon flavored type be added into juice?  My 2 yo just gags and cannot get it down.

Thanks!
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« Reply #315 on: June 17, 2009, 12:13:31 PM » by denim&lace
Juice would be OK I think, but I find that it mixes really well with yogurt and a little pinch of stevia. 
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #316 on: September 29, 2009, 09:39:59 PM » by mommie
what's the difference/health benefit between CLO and Fermented CLO...any ideas?
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« Reply #317 on: November 15, 2009, 01:30:43 AM » by crystal
The source that I was buying Blue Ice from said that they would no longer carry it due to the fact that the company changed their processing method to something undesirable.  

Anyone know anything about this?  I don't know what my choice of CLO should be, now.

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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #318 on: November 15, 2009, 07:42:28 AM » by Mama Sita

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Quote from: kittyninja on February 27, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
OK it's probably here somewhere but I am supposed to be cooking right now so real quick- for a 56 year old woman, would taking omega 3's AND cod liver oil together be TOO MUCH? Trying to figure out what is making her wake up in the middle of the night and that's one thing she started doing differant.

I honestly don't know, kittyninja. The real question is, how MUCH of each is she taking? If this is the only new thing she has started and is now waking up in the night, I would say this might be the culprit. Seems to me she should take either one or the other. Too much of a good thing is not always good..... Smiley
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« Reply #319 on: November 15, 2009, 07:44:44 AM » by Mama Sita

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Can the liquid lemon flavored type be added into juice?  My 2 yo just gags and cannot get it down.

Thanks!

Yep, it sure can. We put several tablespoons into the blender when we make smoothies and it goes down great! Tastes really good with raspberry smoothies.
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #320 on: November 15, 2009, 10:52:51 AM » by hi_itsgwen
Quote from: Monita on June 17, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Can the liquid lemon flavored type be added into juice?  My 2 yo just gags and cannot get it down.
Thanks!
I give my kids shots of lemon clo with their liquid berry vitamin, and they love the combination.  Oil and water based stuff doesn't mix, so clo will float on top of whatever you mix it with.  But the berry flavored vitamin helps disguise the taste/texture. 
I did try adding lemon clo to our smoothies once, and we had to dump them all out.  I don't know what happened there, but somehow we started with friut and ended up with fish smoothies.  Tongue
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #321 on: November 15, 2009, 07:10:28 PM » by fisherprice
how much do you give your kiddos?  I have a 5,3,and 10 month old.  Right now i give 1tsp to 5 yr old, 1/2 tsp to 3 yr old, and 1/4 tsp to 10 month old.  What are you thoughts?  More or less?
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« Reply #322 on: November 15, 2009, 11:48:59 PM » by mommie
I got the NOW brand and was bummed to find rosemary oil in it... my bil has seizures and that oil is not suppose to be used by people w/ seizures. while my kids don't have any, I don't want to encourage any if you kwim Smiley
whats another good brand recommendation. I have a 4 and a 2 year old who would use it. Right now my 3 yo just chews the ones tabs from NOW. I hope that's not bad?! She likes the "honey" that comes out when she chews it YUCK!!! Her breath stinks of fish! LOL I swallow mine!!
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« Reply #323 on: November 17, 2009, 12:11:47 AM » by Mamatoto
Quote from: mommie on November 15, 2009, 11:48:59 PM
whats another good brand recommendation.

Our pediatrician recommends Carlson brand for purity and potency.  I take the capsules because I can't stand the liquid, but DS loves the liquid.  The pediatrician said it's good to get them started on the liquid young so they get used to the texture, etc.

Quote from: fisherprice on November 15, 2009, 07:10:28 PM
how much do you give your kiddos?

Our pediatrician started DS on cod liver oil at 7 months - 1 teaspoon a day.
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #324 on: November 17, 2009, 03:01:52 AM » by ndmomof6
This is what I give to my little ones...

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/itemKey/54870

When my now 2 yr old was smaller I used something similar to these...

http://www.wellnesstrader.com/supplement-facts/omega-3-90-coromega
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #325 on: December 05, 2009, 06:10:33 PM » by hedy
In trying to find a non-tampered-with and reasonably-priced CLO, I found this at Vitacost:

http://www.vitacost.com/Garden-of-Life-Olde-World-Icelandic-Cod-Liver-Oil

I just ordered some so haven't tried it yet.
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« Reply #326 on: December 05, 2009, 10:12:24 PM » by hi_itsgwen
Quote from: hedy on December 05, 2009, 06:10:33 PM
In trying to find a non-tampered-with and reasonably-priced CLO, I found this at Vitacost:

http://www.vitacost.com/Garden-of-Life-Olde-World-Icelandic-Cod-Liver-Oil

I just ordered some so haven't tried it yet.

Thanks for posting!  This is a good price for 'good' cod liver oil.  Let me know how 'lemon mint' tastes when it comes in! Smiley
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« Reply #327 on: December 05, 2009, 10:26:16 PM » by boysmama
We use Garden of Life occasionally. It seems less processed, and yet we are less consistent with it  because compared to Carlson's it tastes horrible.  Tongue

Here's where we order- another good deal. LuckyVitamin Shipping is free on $50+ dollars of Garden of Life product or $100+ on products from the site.

And while I'm posting...We also got confirmation that Carlson's does not add synthetic vitamins and the processing minimal to the point that I don't see it as unreasonable for a better tasting product we will actually use freely.
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« Reply #328 on: December 05, 2009, 10:51:12 PM » by hedy
Quote from: boysmama on December 05, 2009, 10:26:16 PM

And while I'm posting...We also got confirmation that Carlson's does not add synthetic vitamins and the processing minimal to the point that I don't see it as unreasonable for a better tasting product we will actually use freely.

What about denim&lace's post above? (#304)
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  Re: Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
« Reply #329 on: December 05, 2009, 11:50:57 PM » by hi_itsgwen
D&L's post says:
Quote from: denim&lace on January 19, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Does Carlson's CLO have any added synthetic vitamins? No.

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