Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #570 on: October 14, 2008, 05:01:10 PM » by mommie

sorry WR i don't know how...it just said it was refined not using chemical solvents...I delted his e-mail though, cause any kind of refined I'm not personally interested in

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #571 on: October 14, 2008, 05:34:22 PM » by Whiterock

Ok, this is why I am so curious about the refining... Here's a list of all the Coconut Oils they list under the Soaper's Choice section of the website:

Coconut Oil - Extra Virgin Organic ($3.90 per pound)
7 Pound Bottle
$27.30

Coconut Oil 76 Degree Melt Point White ($1.19 per pound)
50 lb Pail
$59.50

Coconut Oil 76 Degree Melt Point White ($1.90 per pound)
7 Pound Bottle
$13.30

Coconut Oil 92 Degree Melt Point White ($1.21 per pound)
50 lb Cube
$60.50

Coconut Oil, Fractionated ($3.36 per pound)
35 lb Container
$117.60

Coconut Oil, Fractionated ($3.85 per pound)
7 Pound Bottle
$26.95

Coconut Oil, ORGANIC, 76 Degree, RBD ($2.41 Per Pound)
7 Pound Bottle
$16.87

And then there's another one that is under the Columbus Foods products section, that is listed like this:

Coconut Oil 76 degree melting point 40 red coloring
76, 92 degree melting point - white
Additives: natural & artificial butter flavor on request
Butcher Boy [is the brand name]

So I'm really wondering if we're sure about which one the information pertains to because, they have 6 different kinds ["Extra Virgin Organic", "76º melting point". "92º melting point", "Fractionated", "Organic", and then whatever that stuff is in the products list on the main companies page]. Also, a week or so ago, they had another one that was labled "(RBD)" which means Refined, Bleached, & Deodorized.

It would be really nice if we found the Extra Virgin is "unrefined", but if it is not, then what are the differences between it and the other types of coconut oil they carry. Because if one of them is an organic coconut oil that is naturally refined, with no solvents, at a cheap price, that would still be a good thing --much better choice health-wise than many other oils out there.

WR

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #572 on: October 23, 2008, 04:45:45 PM » by Whiterock

Bump for Monica to see.

WR

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #573 on: October 25, 2008, 11:05:03 AM » by havasmama_05

I just ordered my CO from Soaper's Choice after calling and emailing to get some info. I asked specifically if it was expeller pressed and over the phone they told me 'yes'. In my email I asked the same question and the fellow who replied said 'it sure is :-)' and attached an Adobe file of their organic certification on all their oils. I just ordered this less than 1/2 an hr ago, so I don't know what it tastes like yet Wink

. Is this helpful?

BTW I only asked about the EVCO. But the organic certification listed many of their oils.

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #574 on: October 25, 2008, 12:08:04 PM » by boysmama

I just saw this and can help with a few of the terms used to describe the coconut oil on Soaper's Choice.

Fractionated- long chain triglycerides are removed leaving only the saturated fats. This makes it very stable and will last indefinitely. Only a "fraction" of the original.
76*- If classified like this it is almost always RBD.
96*-This is partially hydrogenized which gives it a higher melt point. Preferred for lotions and some cosmetics by most soapers.

IMO these 3 are simply not choices for use as food.

The Organic RBD is an illustration that organic should not be the only consideration in our food choices. This is an organic, non hydrogenated form of CO but it's been in contact with chemicals to carry out the refining, bleaching and deordorizing.
This is also not an option IMO. If you are looking for a product that does not taste or smell of coconut, check out Tropical Traditions steam deodorized expeller pressed oil.

What I still do not have info on is whether Soaper's Choice Organic Extra Virgin has been boiled, centrifuge spun and treated with enzymes in the separation process. I would guess that it has because these things speed up the process, increase yield resulting in a cheaper product. In contrast Tropical Traditions Virgin oil is not boiled and is gravity separated.

At this point my personal opinion is that the Soaper's Choice Organic Extra Virgin is the best option for tighter budgets, with Tropical Traditions being first choice for it's "most natural" production methods.

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #575 on: October 25, 2008, 12:13:43 PM » by dara

Note on Fractionated- this means it is changed to be consistently liquid.

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #576 on: October 25, 2008, 01:15:04 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: boysmama on October 25, 2008, 12:08:04 PM

At this point my personal opinion is that the Soaper's Choice Organic Extra Virgin is the best option for tighter budgets, with Tropical Traditions being first choice for it's "most natural" production methods.

I don't know anything about Soaper's Choice for coconut oil, but personally, I think Tropical Traditions tastes and smells like crayons. I also thought it was very grainy. I was not impressed with it at all. I think Nutiva has a superior product and I can get it much cheaper (I get mine at iHerb.com). My 2nd choice is Jarrow which I can also get at iHerb. Just my 2centsworth. Grin

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Organic Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil
Nutiva Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil:

* Certified organic and non-GMO
* Made from fresh coconuts, not dried copra
* Cold-processed
* Unrefined
* Chemical-free
* Unfermented *
* Unbleached
* Undeodorized
* Unhydrogenated
* Pure white like fresh coconut
* Tastes like fresh coconut
* Has a fresh coconut fragrance
* Made with our Fresh is Best ™ commitment

* Other brands wait more than 10 hours between chopping the coconut and pressing the oil, adversely affecting flavor.

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #577 on: October 25, 2008, 02:34:54 PM » by boysmama

Quote from: dara on October 25, 2008, 12:13:43 PM

Note on Fractionated- this means it is changed to be consistently liquid.

It is liquid at lower temps, but this is because the long chain fatty acids have been removed. At least I think this is correct. Here's one partial quote and link-
".... All carrier oils consist of a class of molecules called fatty acid triglycerides which means they contain three, long-chain fatty ester groups. Most all plant derived carrier oils consist entirely of what are called "unsaturated" fatty acid triglycerides which means they have one or more carbon-carbon double bonds in their long fatty ester side chains which are typically 16 to 20+ carbon units long. The double bonds in these side chains are susceptible to oxidation over time and their reactions with oxygen are what produce the rancid odor that you may have noticed in your carrier oils when they get a few months old. Whole coconut oil also has some quite long unsaturated fatty acid triglycerides (which is why it is a solid at room temperature). But the coconut oil is special in that it has a relatively high percentage of shorter length (C8, C10 ), completely saturated (no double bonds) triglycerides. Theses smaller fatty acid triglycerides are separated from the whole coconut oil to give us what is known as "Fractionated Coconut Oil."

There are many advantages toFractionated Coconut Oil including the following:

# 1. Liquid down to very low temperatures.
# 2. Because its has no double bonds, there are no sites for oxidation and thus never goes rancid. The oil has essentially an infinite shelf life.
# 3. Because its consists completely of saturated fatty acid side chains its more like animal fat and absorbs more readily into the skin making it ideal for massage therapy. .... "
http://www.aromathyme.com/fractionated-coconut-oil.html

@healthybrat - CRAYONS! yuck... We liked it, but I don't think we ever tried Nutiva. Huh

Maybe a long time ago....I'm going to go look at iHerb. Does it come in bulk?

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #578 on: October 25, 2008, 03:16:19 PM » by Whiterock

Quote from: boysmama on October 25, 2008, 12:08:04 PM

The Organic RBD is an illustration that organic should not be the only consideration in our food choices. This is an organic, non hydrogenated form of CO but it's been in contact with chemicals to carry out the refining, bleaching and deordorizing.

IF I understand correctly, and IF the Soaper's Choice is certified organic, then the things used during the RBD process are not chemicals.

For instance, the organic, refined, coconut oil sold by Mountail Rose Herbs is RBD using citric acid, activated charcoal, and diatomaceous earth so it can be certified organic.

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What I still do not have info on is whether Soaper's Choice Organic Extra Virgin has been boiled, centrifuge spun and treated with enzymes in the separation process.

I too would like to know exactly what is done to Soaper's Choice Organic Extra Virgin Organic Coconut Oil.

WR

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #579 on: October 25, 2008, 05:20:42 PM » by hi_itsgwen

Quote from: havasmama_05 on October 25, 2008, 11:05:03 AM

I just ordered my CO from Soaper's Choice...I just ordered this less than 1/2 an hr ago, so I don't know what it tastes like yet Wink

My sister ordered some. She says it tastes coconutty, but she likes the Nutiva better. She said the Soaper's Choice has a slight hint of taste from the plastic bottle that it comes in.

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #580 on: December 03, 2008, 03:29:29 PM » by T

I am finally able to update you all on my experience with the Natures Approved/Assured Organics company Embarrassed

. I'll try to make this short Shocked

I ordered in early Sept. and received a small bar of CO and lavender soap as a gift for my patience since the order was slightly postponed, upon receiving the oil, it had a chemical taste and I notified them. They said it was fine so I tried to use a little but just couldn't stand the taste and wrote them to tell them I didn't think it was fine and could there be a problem. They emailed me back saying they had to change suppliers of 5 gal. buckets because of a new chemical the company had used on the mold release and they would be sending a return ticket for the other bucket and a new bucket. After many reminders I was sent a new bucket...and another new bucket! (Now I have 3 buckets I don't want!) The first one I opened and it had the same chemical taste. I called, they said they didn't know why I didn't like it...it was great! They said send a sample and they'd send the return ticket for the other two buckets. They didn't...Finally I sent an email telling them I didn't want to send a sample, it shouldn't taste like anything but coconut and I wanted them to send 3 return tickets. I finally got them on Nov. 4th. Several emails later I received my credit...today. So all in all...No, I wouldn't purchase anything from them. They are nice but not on top of customer service and apparently not the best product for those of us who expect our CO to taste like coconut. 4 months with my money is just way too long for my satisfaction! I hate to give a bad report but the truth is the truth. And, oh, I left out LOTS of details!

I'll try to put a link to this on the 'sales and deals' thread for information purposes.

T

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #581 on: February 07, 2009, 11:17:15 PM » by jaemom

Breaking News!! Breaking News!!!

Okay, I haven't posted in a long time, but I had to share this.

I was at the store tonight, and glanced over at a woman's magazine on the rack while I was waiting in line. One of the headlines read something about an oil that you can use for cooking that will help you lose weight. I anticipated what they were going to say, but didn't want to be too sure of myself, so I flipped to the page of the article. Apparently, there was some testing done at a University (can't remember which one), and coconut oil helps you lose weight when you use it in place of other oils for cooking. It helps control yeast, which causes sugar cravings! Who knew? Roll Eyes

Looks like someone's been reading welltellme! Cheesy

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #582 on: February 16, 2009, 12:17:00 AM » by Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Finally, a little of the truth is leaking out!

I don't know how many of you see this, but if you have any coconut recipes or tips to share, please join in our blog carnival on Wednesday! Read more here: http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2009/02/healthy-coconut-oil-recipes-our-next-real-food-wednesday-topic.html

Thanks, Kelly

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #583 on: February 19, 2009, 11:49:26 PM » by Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Quote from: freshisbest on October 14, 2008, 04:15:00 PM

I buy mine from iherb ... 54 oz for $23.99 and shipping is $1.99

I just saw this and wanted to make sure you know that through my site you can get 54 oz. for $20.19 with free shipping.

http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/06/organic-virgin-coconut-oil-deals-best.html

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #584 on: February 22, 2009, 11:30:52 AM » by petrimama

My kids recently had a terrible cold that my 6 month old daughter really couldn't beat for over 2 weeks. She was waking up with dried goop on her eyes and nostrils worse than I have ever seen; it was so bad that it would fully block her nostrils every few hours at night. Pulling it off hurt her and warm cloths took too long when she was that desperate.
So, just before she conked out at night I began rubbing coconut oil on all over her eyes and nostrils, and there was no more problem. She woke up gunk-free and an added benefit was that it moistened the skin that would normally become so irritated after weeks of wiping.
I tried the coconut oil on myself first just to make sure it wouldn't burn her eyes, and it didn't but it caused me to see through a blur for about an hour Roll Eyes

so I would not recommend doing it other than before sleep. ~L

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #585 on: February 23, 2009, 12:52:58 AM » by thus_I_fight

That's great to know, petrimama! Thanks for sharing this tip!

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Re: Coconut Oil: How, When, Where & Why to Use
« Reply #586 on: February 23, 2009, 01:39:31 AM » by AllinHisTime

Quote from: petrimama on February 22, 2009, 11:30:52 AM

so I would not recommend doing it other than before sleep. ~L

Great idea! Thanks! We live in an old farm house and it's almost unbearably dry by this time in the winter...which hopefully means spring is almost here. My five year old dd has a red nose from all the blowing and a tinge of blood when she blows in the mornings, especially when she is so dry. I read to put vaseline in her nose but i feel so much better about coconut oil. I will be filing this one in my treasure chest of "mom things'

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Coconut Almond Bark
« Reply #587 on: March 19, 2009, 06:45:32 AM » by FarmWife

I got this off of another list and want to try it.

COCONUT BARK - ALMOND JOY

6 Tablespoons coconut oil -- organic! virgin, expeller-pressed, melted [Didn't bother to melt it; it mixed fine]
1 teaspoon vanilla extract [1/2 tsp; I must have written it down wrong]
1 1/2 Tablespoons unsweetened cocoa powder [1 Tbsp double dutch cocoa powder]
1/4 teaspoon xylitol -- or stevia - more to taste [2 Tbsp maple syrup]
2 Tablespoons unsweetened coconut meat [1 Tbsp unsweetened coconut]
2 ounces almonds -- raw, chopped

Melt the coconut oil to a liquid, add in vanilla, cocoa powder and sweetener. Stir to combine and blend well.

Blend nuts and coconut shreds into chocolate mixture.

I use an 8 x 8 cake pan lined with parchment. Pour mixture into pan and tip pan to evenly spread to even thickness.

Place pan in freezer on level shelf and let sit 10 minutes or so. It will harden quickly and breaks with a snap.

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