Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2006, 07:22:03 PM » by mykidsmom

[quote author=So I knew that the wild yam cream was a natural hormone "thing" but didn't know for what, so if she needs estrogen is that going to help her? She is very open to natural stuff but has little money to spend and as I don't know alot about the horomone "front" I would like some advise on how to help her. Thanks in advance for any helps.

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Soy. Soy. Soy. This is the only time I would recommend soy. When someone's had a total hysterectomy (ovaries and all) or is past menopause. Organic soy sources are always best and someone already mentioned NT.

I am currently reading a book on restoring hormone balance naturally w/o HRT no matter where a person is at in their life cycle or if they have their body parts. When I'm done I'll do a quick book review on this site for folks. She is definately against any form of HRT (natural or synthetic) and goes into how to correct hormonal imbalances with diet, exercise, etc. I'm only half way through right now so can't say much as far as her recommendations.

Patti

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2006, 08:28:57 PM » by Pennie

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Can't wait t hear it!!

When you say soy soy soy, is that any form of soy? I am not really familiar with soy.

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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2006, 10:33:29 PM » by mykidsmom

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Can't wait t hear it!!

When you say soy soy soy, is that any form of soy? I am not really familiar with soy.

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I think any form of soy is fine as long as it is an organic source. Tempeh, tofu, edamame, soybeans, etc. All soy is a source of phytoestrogen so as long as the source is organic (to prevent further hormone damage) then it should be fine. As for how much, she just has to play with it and see how she feels. When she feels "normal" after eating a certain amount a day then she'll know she hit the right amount.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2006, 08:51:12 AM » by SC

Soy, like other grains and/or seeds (beans) needs to be soaked properly and/or sprouted before consumption. There are phytates that God designed to prevent germination out of season included in these foods. These phytates also allow birds and animals to eat the seeds and "deposit" them elsewhere for sprouting. If these foods (grains & seeds) are consumed without proper preparation, they leave some of their phytates in the digestive tract and prevent digestion of your other foods as well. This is why some people have terrible stomach distress after consuming certain foods.

For this reason, I recommend that you find a source of soy that is organic. Purchase the beans whole and soak and/or sprout them before preparation.

For more information, you can check this thread. I highly recommend the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon. It's one of my most worn reference books. Check out a copy at your local library to get a preview.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2006, 02:04:57 PM » by abcathome

I just had to jump in here on the hormone imbalance! I went off BC about 6 weeks ago to allow my body to rest hormonally, and come back to its normal levels. I have been on BC for about 10 years now, with breaks for the 2 wonderful boys I have. But during all that time, we had issues and more issues. No libido, and I was the witch-monster. LOL I kept telling DH that I would be off them if there were any other way. (I know about natural planning and such, I'm just not that diligent!)

Anyway, during these last 6 weeks, my body seems to have gone into a hormonal whirlwnd, as I have symtoms of puberty and menopause all at the same time. Sometimes it's funny and at other times its very aggravating.

My question is how long will it take (average, as I know everyone is different) for the fake hormones to completely leave my body and my body to return to normal? I would like to do a saliva test and see where I am, since I suspect estrogen dominance, but don't know how long to wait so that the test won't be skewed by the fake stuff. (The tests are expensive enough without having to waste it on the fake hormones!)

Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
Amanda

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2006, 09:27:24 PM » by Clementine

Thank you both for sharing your knowledge.

This has been a very helpful and informative thread. I have a question though. Where does the Vitex come in? It is listed here as a source of phytoestrogen. I thought that Vitex would help regulate hormones by lowering the estrogen and increasing the progesterone. Could Vitex be helpful along with Wild yam or would that be counter-productive? I have severe hormone imbalance, and have recently started using the Wild Yam, but was also considering the Vitex. I only have 1 or 2 cycles a year without any "help", but no longer want to take synthetic progesterone or BCP.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2006, 09:31:58 PM » by SC

Quote from: Clementine on October 16, 2006, 09:27:24 PM

Where does the Vitex come in? It is listed here as a source of phytoestrogen.

I'm sorry, but I did a search of the text and didn't see Vitex mentioned except in your post under this thread. Does it have another name? Is this a prescription medication?

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2006, 09:34:25 PM » by healthybratt

I talked to my doc today. I really do like my doc, but sometimes, I think he just doesn't have a clue. Roll Eyes

I just thought I would share what he had to say - (he's NOT a naturopath or an allopath).

They told me after my pap that my hormones were "normal". Since I have a fibroid, I wanted to know what "normal" meant. He said they didn't even test my hormone levels for balance, only for the phase of my life (pre-menapause or whatever). He also said that having a fibroid and/or extra bleeding at 36 was normal. Shocked

He also said that taking wild yam and eliminating hormone injected meats and soy products wouldn't make any difference. Only hormone therapy would do me any good.

I don't believe a word of this, nor do I expect you to, but I thought I'd just let you know that doctors (even the good ones) don't know everything.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2006, 09:37:16 PM » by Clementine

Quote from: SC on October 16, 2006, 09:31:58 PM

Quote from: Clementine on October 16, 2006, 09:27:24 PM

Where does the Vitex come in? It is listed here as a source of phytoestrogen.

I'm sorry, but I did a search of the text and didn't see Vitex mentioned except in your post under this thread. Does it have another name? Is this a prescription medication?

Oh, I'm sorry, Vitex is another name for chasteberry.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2006, 09:46:37 PM » by SC

Quote from: Clementine on October 16, 2006, 09:37:16 PM

Vitex is another name for chasteberry.

Okay (DUH

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Since chasteberry is a source of phytoestrogen, I would only use it in application for someone who was deficient of estrogen. People who have had their ovaries removed would fall into this category. The goal is to have a balance between estrogen and progesterone. With the environmental influences on hormones today, many women have too much estrogen. That is why the caution to eliminate phytoestrogens as they could only add to the imbalance. If our food sources didn't already have so many estrogens in them, a healthy body might not react badly. However, chasteberry as a treatment for someone already suffering symptoms of estrogen overload could make things worse.

In the end, the goal is to regain enough balance (through diet, pure water, exercise, etc) so that these "balancing" measures won't be necessary. HTH

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2006, 03:57:11 PM » by Beth

Quote from: SC on October 16, 2006, 09:46:37 PM

Quote from: Clementine on October 16, 2006, 09:37:16 PM

Vitex is another name for chasteberry.

Okay (DUH

Let me tell you my experience with vitex. I too thought that it would help straighten out my hormones. So I bought some tea. The first cup I drank made immediately feel well very hormonal. Almost like I was losing it. Everything suddenly became very stressful. Well I thought maybe this is what I need and I should just deal with it so I drank 2 more cups and it was the same thing. Shocked

The next day I read the thread on estrognen dominance. Just in time. I really feel my reaction to vitex was my bodies way of saying we have enough estrogen we really need more progesterone!!! So I'm waiting for beeyoutifuls research to see if I want to use the wild yam cream. I have all the mild symptoms and most of the moderate symptoms of estrogen dominance. I'm 39 and would really like to conceive again. Anyway just thought I'd let you know my experience.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2006, 04:10:00 PM » by Pennie

how come someone with no ovaries needs estrogen but not progresterone? This whole hormone thing confuses me.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2006, 04:15:27 PM » by MissusLeata

I have a question here. I was diagnosed with low progesterone after a miscarriage in June. My PA put me on progesterone cream....20 mg for the first 10 days of my cycle and 40 for the rest of it. She knows that we want to get pregnant soon and this was in an effort to help me carry a future baby to term.

That was 4 months ago and I haven't conceived (which isn't incredibly normal as we know that those things take time and God is ultimately in control). Anyway, some people say that progesterone throughout the month can supress ovulation. I'm curious about that as I'm taking it all month long.

I did chart my cycle one month and obviously ovulated. I had a normal 4 week cycle that month. All of my other cycles since the miscarriage have been a liitle longer than that. I tried to chart a second one, but my thermometer seemed to quit working. Anyway, any ideas on this?

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2006, 12:34:47 PM » by abcathome

Quote from: MissusLeata on October 17, 2006, 04:15:27 PM

Anyway, some people say that progesterone throughout the month can supress ovulation. I'm curious about that as I'm taking it all month long.

I will be the first to say that I'm no expert on this and am still learning about it myself. However, Dr. John Lee's books on hormone balance recommend using progesterone cream for 3 of the 4 weeks (average) out of the month, as your body needs a resting time.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2006, 02:17:26 PM » by SC

In an attempt to try and explain why everyone might need a little different course of action, I will try this illustration.

Not long ago, there was a story in NGJ magazine where a small child asked Mike Pearl if it had been five minutes yet. Mike asked the boy what he meant. The boy said that his daddy said he would be finished in five minutes. The boy wanted to know if five minutes were up. Mike tried in vain to explain that he needed to know when the five minutes started in order to know when the time had finished. The boy finally looked at him and said, "You don't really know when five minutes is up, do you?"

The treatment for hormone imbalance all depends upon where you start. If you have low estrogen, you'll need more to ovulate properly. If you have low progesterone, you'll need that. It all depends on what your levels ARE what you will need. That's why some women will need to use a progesterone cream in order to conceive while others use it to keep from conceiving. You have to understand where the body IS in order to know how to get it where you want to be.

We can tell you what things to avoid if you have symptoms of estrogen dominance. We can tell you how to help alleviate those symptoms. Reverse those recommendations for low estrogen. BUT you can't tell EVERYONE to do the same thing because we are all in different bodies, at different stages, in different environments, exposed to different diets, etc.

Clear as mud?

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2006, 02:30:23 PM » by jenny4wen

HELP!!! I'm out of wack. I won't go into details, but it's pointing to estrogen dominance. People kept recomending flax seed oil, and I started taking it about 2 weeks ago, and I'm doing SO much better! Is this a calm before the storm, since you mentioned flax seed as one of the phytoestrogens? It even advertises, "With Lignans!" I don't want to get worse again! It was too scary! Or since it's helping, was it the other way around (I can't imagine how). Would taking progesterone cream on top of the flax seed oil be counter productive?

Can I come live with you for a couple months, SC! I need to learn.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2006, 02:59:36 PM » by SC

Look for areas in your diet that may be contributing to a hormonal imbalance (detailed earlier in this thread). Clean up as many of those as possible. THEN treat the symptoms while your body regains its balance. Gauge your progress by the symptoms (or lack of them). I also believe there is a saliva test that can give you feedback, although I don't know if many doctors use them and they can be expensive from what I've seen. IMO, I would trust your measurable symptoms rather than a lab you don't trust. I don't have enough $ to invest in testing that might be helpful (depending on who is doing the test).

If you aren't having any symptoms, I would still educate myself about the sources of hormone exposure in my diet and environment. It would be a whole lot easier to avoid these problems altogether (IMO).

AND -- if you are a professional organizer and want to tackle some of my clutter -- I'll sign you up for a visit. LOL! Roll Eyes

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2006, 03:14:49 PM » by crystal

Hi, First time posting here. Have been reading for a few months and have learned tons from you all. I will try to quickly describe what I have been dealing with for the last few years. (Well, to tell you the truth, it has been going on since before my first pregnancy, 14 years ago.) I have been diagnosed as having little or no progesterone production. Funny thing is, I have no problem getting pregnant or maintaining pregnancy. The most troubling symptom that I deal with is seizures. I can go a year or more with no problem and then WHAM! I get hit with more seizure activity. I have what I call petit mals which usually preempt and warn me that a grand mal is coming. The seizures usually occur when I am utterly exhausted physically. I take a natural, micronized progesterone, prescribed by my naturopath. One really odd thing is that most of the seizure activity has occurred during the middle of September to the middle of October. (Yes, I just had one last Friday after going over a year without. I am actually pretty fried, still. They leave me mentally deficient. Frustrating!) I, at the advice of the naturopath, am upping my dosage for the days between ovulation and menstruation. SO....do any of you have any insight or do any of you know of anyone else out there with similar problems? I can tell you that most neurologists won't even listen to the whole idea about this being a hormone problem. They just want to give me an anticonvulsant. SO...What would you recommend nutritionally? Thanks!

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2006, 04:15:19 PM » by abcathome

Quote from: SC on October 18, 2006, 02:17:26 PM

We can tell you what things to avoid if you have symptoms of estrogen dominance. We can tell you how to help alleviate those symptoms. Reverse those recommendations for low estrogen. BUT you can't tell EVERYONE to do the same thing because we are all in different bodies, at different stages, in different environments, exposed to different diets, etc.

Clear as mud?

Completely clear! I understand and whole-heartedly agree. I was only offering the Dr. Lee info as that, info. A person needs to make sure they read and research something before they actually do it. I would recommend reading the books if you think you might follow that direction. (Incidentally, Dr. Lee covers many many aspects of hormone issues in his books).
I just didn't explain myself thoroughly.

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2006, 10:57:14 PM » by mykidsmom

Quote from: crystal on October 18, 2006, 03:14:49 PM

I take a natural, micronized progesterone, prescribed by my naturopath.

I wish I could be of more help with your seizures but it sounds like you have nailed it. If I have to choose between the AMA and my naturopath, I take the naturo. anytime! If I'm really confused about something I will find out what the AMA says and then do the opposite. It's a guiding principle that seems to work for our family!

I had a question about your natural micronized progesterone - can you tell me what brand it is? My naturopath would like me on the micronized stuff but she's talking about my regular MD prescribing it. I didn't know there was a natural micronized. We're trying to shift me from cream to pills/caps.

Thanks.

patti

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2006, 11:19:13 PM » by crystal

Patti,

I have taken some form of progesterone for 6 or more years. The first year or so I took a synthetic. BOY! OH, BOY! Talk about side effects. Then I went on Prometrium. My OB/GYN tried to tell me that it would very expensive, but that wasn't the case. My naturopath now has me on a micronized progesterone from a compounding pharmacy. Exactly the same as the Prometrium, just a little less $. It isn't cheap, but it is either the hormone or the seizures. Plain and simple. About a year or so ago, I begin to cut down on the dosage because I hated spending the money on myself. Well, I didn't catch it in time and I ended up with two back to back grand mal seizures. Had to go back to a neurologist and have another MRI. Thousands of $ later..... Will I ever learn? This whole process has been one big trip. I have been humbled and reduced to being dependent on others. Right now, I can't drive. I can't be left alone. The Lord is using this to better me for His service.

SO...does anyone have any advice for me as far as what to eat or what not to eat? What to supplement with? Right now, I take turmeric and Omega 3s for inflammation (endometriosis) and Vitex, along with the progesterone (100 mg plus 1/4 t. cream 2x/day on days 4-14; 300 mg on days 15-24). Anyway, I would appreciate any insight from any of you. Thanks!

Crystal

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #51 on: October 19, 2006, 09:38:46 AM » by Kati*did

About your seizures, Chrystal, one thing I might add: I am epileptic, and have recently been researching alternative methods of controlling seizures. I have come across many sites that talk about Omega 3 supplementation helping to or completely alleviating seizures (epileptic and otherwise). I posted a question about this earlier, but I don't think it's a real common question/problem, so there were no suggestions posted. If you google epilepsy or seizures and omega 3, you'll come up with a large number of sites. These are some of the sites I looked at:

http://www.epilepsy.com/articles/ar_1088094124.html
http://www.raysahelian.com/seizure.html
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/uncontrolled_epilepsy_linked_to_low_omega3_fatty_acid_level.html

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2006, 05:55:20 PM » by mykidsmom

Crystal,

I had a brainstorm this morning thinking about this. I wonder if 1 tbls a day of Cod Liver Oil would be of any benefit? You would also be able to cut out your other anti-inflammatory because CLO is a big anti-infl. I honestly have no idea if this would help your seizures but CLO is such an amazing oil that I just wonder if it wouldn't work. I think they normally recommend 1 tsp. but that does nothing for me. I have to take one tbls.

Hope this helps.

patti

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2006, 07:14:01 PM » by crystal

Patti,

Is the cod liver oil even better than Omega 3s? What brand do you use? Does the brand matter other than taste?

Crystal

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2006, 09:23:24 PM » by mykidsmom

Hi Crystal,

I am not sure on that. I know it's a "healthy" oil but I'm not sure it falls into the Omega 3's category. Someone else might know that. All I know is, the stuff is amazing. Even my anti-natural husband started taking it and noticed a difference.

I use the Nordic Naturals Arctic Cod Liver Oil. Now that I think about it, they make a regular Nordic Naturals Omegas also. I can't really answer your question regarding brand. My naturopath is big into brand (she doesn't sell this stuff) but that's all I know. I use the orange flavor because it's more tolerable. I get my from Kirkmen on the web. It's $16.50 a bottle instead of the $20-$30 I've seen elsewhere.

I'm not sure I was any help. Sorry. I don't take Omega 3's because I take this stuff but I don't know if they are one in the same. Now you've got my curiosity up I'll have to google it and find out.

Patti

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2006, 09:30:39 PM » by Kati*did

Quote from: crystal on October 21, 2006, 07:14:01 PM

Patti,

Is the cod liver oil even better than Omega 3s? What brand do you use? Does the brand matter other than taste?

Crystal

Cod liver oil is a great source of Omega-3. Some of the folks who had seizure disorders that I was talking about in my earlier post used cod liver oil to control the seizures (because of it's omega-3).

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2006, 11:17:10 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: Kati*did on October 21, 2006, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: crystal on October 21, 2006, 07:14:01 PM

Patti,

Is the cod liver oil even better than Omega 3s? What brand do you use? Does the brand matter other than taste?

Crystal

She's right on the money. The main difference between CLO and other omega 3's is the vitamin A and D that come in it. If you think your sources of A & D are sufficient, then most experts recommend only taking CLO in the winter and using another supplement minus these vitamins in the Summer when sunshine is more prevalent to help the body produce it's own vitamins. I personally take it all the time. I think it's fabulous.

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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2006, 11:21:11 PM » by crystal

Quote from: Kati*did on October 21, 2006, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: crystal on October 21, 2006, 07:14:01 PM

Patti,

Is the cod liver oil even better than Omega 3s? What brand do you use? Does the brand matter other than taste?

Crystal

Why is it that the fish oil works on seizure disorders, do you think? I wish I understood the connection between inflammation and the hormone imbalance. The seizures that I experience are most definitely affected by the amount of progesterone in my system. At least the progesterone controls the seizures. Maybe the seizures aren't caused by a lack of progesterone, merely controlled by a sufficient amount. Much like a lack of Tylenol isn't what causes pain; a sufficient amount in the system can control pain, however. Just thinking outloud. Any input? Oh, and is cod liver oil the best source of Omega 3? What about the other Omegas? What part do they play in controlling imflammation?

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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2006, 12:12:30 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: crystal on October 21, 2006, 11:21:11 PM

Quote from: Kati*did on October 21, 2006, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: crystal on October 21, 2006, 07:14:01 PM

Patti,

Is the cod liver oil even better than Omega 3s? What brand do you use? Does the brand matter other than taste?

Crystal

I read an article today that says that essential fatty acids are essential to help the proper production and absorbtion of everything including hormones. Trans fats block the good fats from doing their jobs. Soooo if you need progesteron to control the seizures, it might be because your body isn't making/producing/absorbing enough because you're eating too many trans fats or not enough EFA's.

Here's that article if you're interested.

http://www.explorepub.com/articles/nutrition1.html

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Re: Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2006, 11:34:03 PM » by mykidsmom

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Why is it that the fish oil works on seizure disorders, do you think? I wish I understood the connection between inflammation and the hormone imbalance.

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My very limited understanding of diseases and disorders is that they are caused by inflammation in the body. Your lack of progesterone would also be caused by inflammation. You can either supplement with the progesterone to prevent seizures or you can go to the core of the problem which might be inflammation. The hard part is, who wants to experiment to see if taking CLO/Omega 3's prevents your seizures w/o taking the progeserone? Ouch. That doesn't sound like a very pleasant experiment. But maybe you can find a way to do it. You know your body better then anyone. Or, maybe for this year you can take both and see what happens next year. The fact that your seizures seem to happen at the same time of year makes me think it's something else causing them. Or did I misunderstand what I read about when you have them?

All the best,

patti

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