Everything About Juicers & Juicing

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2006, 03:02:34 PM » by healthybratt

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I am satisfied with it for making bread but not when it comes to baking, just isn't fine enough. I don't notice a difference in my bread though at all.

Could you clarify what you mean?

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2006, 03:15:21 PM » by Kitty

I have the same dry canister and it grinds very well. I also use my berries frozen and have used it to knead the dough successfully. I do it by hand now since I "soak" the dough overnight. Our whole grain bread isn't coarse or gritty at all. Soaking does contribute to that, but even before I read about that in NT, my loaves were fluffy. I use my Vita-Mix for so many of the things listed, too. Blender pancakes and muffins turn out well, too.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2006, 03:20:08 PM » by Maria/NHM

Quote from: healthybratt on August 08, 2006, 12:23:30 PM

Quote from: tjmjfamily on April 11, 2006, 06:51:22 PM

My Dh bought me a Vita-mix. I love it!! I use it many times a day. It is so much more powerful than a blender. My Dh loves gravy over everything. It can be tricky to thicken gravy using whole grains but the vita mix makes it so easy. I just put everything in and turn it on. The blades turn so fast they cook the gravy and it never scorches. I wanted a Vitamix instead of a juicer because I didn't want to wast all the pulp. We love having shakes to go with breakfast and they turn out so smooth. Our favorite dessert is strawberry icecream. Four cups frozen strawberries, One cup plain yogurt and 1/4 cup raw honey. Yummy! It was very expensive but for us it's been well worth it!

Does it have some kind of heat setting. How can you claim it moves fast enough to cook something from the friction, but be able to make ice cream as well. I'm confused.

The blades turn fast enough that they cause alot of heat from friction. It will boil water although usually when you make soups or gravy you start with hot water or milk to speed up the process. To make icecream you use frozen fruit or icecubes and don't process as long. It makes more of a soft serve icecream.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2006, 05:50:26 PM » by migratingoose

Here is my dh's answer-

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Let us first agree that the whirling propeller-like blades of the blender introduce kinetic energy into the substance in the blender.

Now, from that, it is relatively easy to imagine that, given sufficient time and energy, a hot and steamy soup will emerge from whatever blend of healthy stuff you decide to put in the blender. Further, it is not hard to imagine that it will continue to increase in temperature until there is more energy in the substance than the phase (solid, liquid, gas, etc) will allow, thus forcing a phase transition. Thus, given time, and that the motor doesn't burn out, that the blades don't melt, or similar misfortunes, you could reasonably expect to turn your nice potato soup soup into a nice potato gas.

As for how the blender (Vitamix) makes ice cream:
Ice cream traditionally is stirred while cooling to prevent the formation of large ice crystals. Suppose a completely frozen object (such as Ice, or frozen milk, or whatnot) is put into the Vitamix. It is readily apparent from above that the item MUST receive kinetic energy from the blender. Most of this temperature goes towards breaking the ice up into smaller chunks. The rest will go to heat. Since heat diffuses to surrounding (cooler) materials, this heat quickly leaves the point of contact, and procedes into the rest of the frozen material.

Eventually, there will come a point when there is not enough heat to melt the substance, and there are no large ice crystals left. If the Vitamix is stopped at this point, the substance will re-freeze the (presumably very tiny) melted areas as the heat diffuses to cooler areas. Thus, you will have very small broken ice crystals, and very small re-frozen ice crystals. This is not quite the way ice cream is normally made, but the effect shouldn't be too far from the "real thing".

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Too make soup you blend it on high for up to 4mins or until hot (and this will make it hot enough to be really steaming when you take the lid off)

The Dry container is basically the same as the Wet. The blade is different (If I remember right), but the reason that the vita mix rep gave me for having a 2nd container (which I don't have) was that the sides of the dry container can become clouded or unclear from the harder grains. Having two could be useful as I am always drying mine out to alternate between dry and wet items.

I also like to grind herbs/spices in mine- It powders cinnamon and cloves really nicely.
A grain tip I received was that is grinds 2 cups at a time best- anyless and it flies out of the container.

I also bought mine used on ebay- bought the base and container separate, to lower my competition. Found that I could match a 9 yr old SuperTotal Nutrition center with a new commercial container.

Vitamix asked for my serial number so they could tell me if my USED ebay purchased base would still be under there 7 yr warranty!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2006, 05:54:46 PM » by healthybratt

dh of migratingoose,

Thank you for that somewhat lengthy and very technical explanation. It was very informative. Grin

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2006, 07:23:27 PM » by ahsmom3x

We have had a Vita-Mix for about 3 years. It was worth the many months of saving for one and then waiting until we went to the State Fair, where we got a great deal, with a few things thrown in. We also paid extra for a DRY container, so that we could grind grain in it for making bread. This has been well worth it.

There is one thing I do not like about it. I find it hard to get all my goodies out of it. For instance, when I make Oat Blender Pancakes in it or Brown Rice Waffle batter, not all of the batter comes out, it's hard to scrape the bottom of it clean. If the item is thicker, it can be a pain. This is a minor detail though, for all the good stuff it has helped me produce for my family.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2006, 08:43:35 PM » by Nickole

Does anyone have the stainless steal 3600 model? That's what I have and apparently "back then" (WAY back then according to the clothing and hair style of the girl in the book it came with) it did not have a wet and dry canister/pitcher/whatever. SOO it says it will grind grain and although I use it to grind beans and grains and such to make porridge I ground flour once to make the sourdough bread in NT and the bread was hard as a rock. I thought it was because the flour wasn't very fine, but someone just told me lately that that would have nothing to do with the bread being hard. Has anyone had success making sourdough with flour ground in the VitaMix? I just bought 350 pounds of grain and I am really hoping that maybe I don't need to buy a grinder after all! (Even though the VitaMix sounds like a jet)

Follow up - grinds grain just fine! YAY!!!!

I only have one canister.

You can get it on ebay - that's where I got mine! Under $200 with shipping I remember. Used.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2006, 12:55:55 PM » by strawberrypeach

Okay, I need any and all information you can give me about juicers. Our family would like to get one, but we don't know much about them. If you could tell me what brand you have, what you like/don't like about it, things/combinations your family likes to make with it, and any other information that you can give, it would be very helpful! There are so many options out there, we aren't quite where to start looking!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2006, 01:58:46 PM » by born-an-okie

My husband would answer this better, but he isn't back from his deployment yet. We bought a juicer earlier this year. My husband did all of the research on it, as he was planning to do a juice fast. We ended up buying a centrifugal juicer, but a higher end one. It is a Breville 800 class juicer. This type of juicer is said to not do leafy vegetables very well. Though the results with leafy things are not as good as with other things, I think it does pretty good. I haven't used it much since he left, though I should. I can tell you that a little fresh garlic goes a long way, and the same goes for hot peppers. Grin

I've never used any other kind of juicer, so I don't have anything to compare our to. It is easy to clean, though much more so if it is cleaned right after using instead of waiting. There are certainly a lot of cheaper centrifugal juicers, but I don't know if they would work as well as this one. Huh

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2006, 09:56:29 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: born-an-okie on August 22, 2006, 01:58:46 PM

Check the thread: Vitamix vs Juicers

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2006, 11:01:52 AM » by IMPersuadd

We have a Champion commercial model. It is my second Champion - the first was a regular home model and worked just fine but I loaned it to a friend who decided to keep it and gave us the money to replace it. When I did, I upgraded, not so much cuz I need the extra power but I figured the bigger model would last longer and handle the juicing better. And they have new colors now. :-)

I like them. Yes, you lose some pulp but we prefer it that way. The pulp we lose is very dry, so I know we are getting a vast majority of the liquid and personally for my whole family, drinking juice that had all that thick pulp left in it would not be as appetizing and we would probably "give up". So, while there may be some health advantage to having the pulp, I figure since we like this juice and will drink it daily, that is better than getting frustrated and stopping.

I also found that the Champion was a good quality for a decent price - we just could not justify the cost of the more expensive juicers or vitamix. And I haven't found anything yet it can't do and checked some consumer reports and it seems to rate well compared to even the more expensive juicers.

That's my experience. :-)
Lori

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2006, 11:06:27 AM » by mexmarr

I also think that a champion would be the way to go. It is a great juicer and really extracts your juice! Personally, I have a green star juicer. It is the top of the line and cost $400. We spent that much because we wanted it for medicional reasons to help my blind daughters eyes. The champion was our second choice, but costs less than half, so it is a much better choice for the average family Cool

. We did a lot of study, and decided that the green star and Champion would be our only options.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2006, 11:10:18 AM » by Pennie

I have an omega 5008, It hink it's 5000. anyway. It does other stuff besides juice. www.mercola.com has a price comparison table on juicers. course this is the one he endorses......he also recommends putting the pulp back in the juice. I did that the other day was kinda like soup. I put a tblsp of coconut oil in it too and put it in a pretty glass. Grin

Wasn't too bad. Course it was carrot which he doesn't recommend. The only draw about this one I would say is you do have to cut most stuff up pretty small but it does do citrus which I really do like. (grapefruit)it will grind wheat and coffe beans and frozen fruit and it will do the grass. it also extruds pasta dough. haven't done all of that. I also found mine cheaper than ordering on his website. HTH

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2006, 09:07:43 PM » by Isaacsmama

I have a juiceman juicer. I really like it. I guess it doesnt have all the bells and whistles the big name models have, but it works great for me. The only think that might be a con about is the metal part inside that grinds and separates is a pain to clean if you dont have a bristle scrubber brush. Thats my 2 cents.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2006, 04:19:01 PM » by strawberrypeach

Thank you all so much for your replies! Keep them coming!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2006, 11:45:29 PM » by TruthSeeker

I also have a Breville. I love it because you don't have to cut up hardly anything. It takes whole apples (the small ones) Shocked

It is very powerful and cost about $150.00. I got mine at our local Gottschalks store, but you can buy them on their online store also. We juice carrots every morning. We add an apple or two to add flavor. Yes, rinse the machine right after using it or it is more difficult to clean. That's the only bummer about the juicer. It is big and a pain to clean every morning. Also, we don't juice our citrus peels. Yuck! We tried a whole orange without peeling it and it was disgusting! Undecided

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2006, 04:46:03 PM » by mommyoftwins

All of you who grind flour in the Vita-mix:

Do you have a Professional Series or the Home Blender (like Turboblend)? I have the Turboblend & cannot find in the manual whether it can handle grains.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2006, 04:52:07 PM » by mexmarr

Quote from: Nickole on August 21, 2006, 08:43:35 PM

(Even though the VitaMix sounds like a jet)

Then again, so does my wheat grinder...

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2006, 03:05:17 PM » by ShabbyChic

When my husband and I got married we lived with his folks for 6 mos. They had a vitamix and I think everything that comes out of that machine tastes like heaven. We'd come home and throw in a few pieces of vegetables and out would pop this warm smooth soup. We'd wake up and throw in a few fruits and yogurt and out would come these cool smoothies. SMOOTH. It was the best. Of course we cannot afford one and found a Betty Crocker juicer for free and it, um, it was found lacking...

If you have the money, go with the vitamix. You get what you pay for. My husband's parents said they bought it when Pete was little so they've had theirs for 30 years. They have the stainless steel cup, although I think they come with lexan cups (pitchers) now.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2006, 03:20:13 PM » by Gabriel Anast

BlendTec's are also really, really great... and expensive. Sometimes you can find commercial BlendTec's on ebay.com for $200... which, amazingly, is a good price.

http://www.blendtec.com/

--gabe

...oh, I already mentioned Blend Tec in this thread... oops.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2006, 05:05:32 PM » by Nickole

I personally would recommend an older stainless steel model like I have. I think it is safer than the lexan - I'd be a little worried since things heat up VERY hot in that machine, that the chemicals in the plastic would leach into the food. I have a pitcher with a spout but this older model ONLY came with that and I have the manual (more like a book) with it, which only shows one pitcher. So this pitcher is used for grinding grain as well as smoothies and other wet stuff. Mine is the Vita-Mix 3600 model.

I also got a Champion juicer given to me, which is great fun!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2006, 02:23:46 PM » by mommyoftwins

Quote from: mommyoftwins on October 11, 2006, 04:46:03 PM

All of you who grind flour in the Vita-mix:

Do you have a Professional Series or the Home Blender (like Turboblend)? I have the Turboblend & cannot find in the manual whether it can handle grains.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2006, 04:48:38 PM » by ahsmom3x

I have been grinding grain in our vita-mix for the last three years. We have the 5000 model. We also were told to buy the dry-container. The blades are different than the wet. When we bought it 5 years ago, we weren't offered a stainless steel pitcher. Keep in mind that although the vita-mix does a great job of grinding grain, it doesn't come out to be fine flour. It's a bit more "grainy". It's fine for making bread though and anything else you want to make. I always pre-sift my flour before putting it in my batter, in the event something didn't completely grind. I recently bought a Nurtimill, which grinds my grain to a fine flour.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2006, 08:21:43 PM » by mommyoftwins

Quote from: ahsmom3x on October 14, 2006, 04:48:38 PM

Thanks! I guess I'll probably need to put that on my list of things to purchase. I would like to have the versatility of a mill.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2006, 10:25:34 PM » by Nickole

Quote from: ahsmom3x on October 14, 2006, 04:48:38 PM

I thought it seemed more coarse too but then I brought the flour to a friend who has an excellent, expensive Magic Mill to compare, and it was comparable. I was wondering why it wasn't as fine as store-bought flour, but apparently freshly ground won't be. I follow the directions to a T and the flour works great!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2006, 11:39:09 PM » by PMESguy

A juicer like the Omega 8005 uses a low rpm auger to slowly extract the juice. The benefit of this is that it works like your teeth to chew the fiber down. Therefore the enzymatic content as well as the nutrients are not rapidly oxidized. This is a completely different animal than a high speed blender.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2006, 10:25:04 PM » by kentuckymommy

Hi there! I have a juicer and vita-mix. The juicer is a champion from ebay and we bought our vitamix from a friend when their family went on the mission field to Mexico/ South Texas in their bus! So both were outstanding deals! I love my juicer for nut butters and veggie juices, sometimes I add back the pulp. BUT....my most loved appliance is my Vitamix! ( I also love my food processor- the vitamix pulverizes the veggies when I want to make salsas and such!) I use my vitamix everyday! Seriously!!! I use it for guacamole, nut stuffers(tacoey filling from th Rejuvenate Your Life Cookbook), ice creams from fruit, homemade condiments, and also my chunkier nut butters. Hope that helps!

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2006, 05:57:39 PM » by westernmama

I am interested in buying a wheat grinder, but don't have the money right now. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the attachment that comes with the champion juicer. I do have a champion juicer and discovered the grain attachment to buy for it is much cheaper than a whole new wheat grinder. But, I also don't want to waste my money. So I'd like any advice anyone could give me as far as does it grind good enough for bread and baking, how fast does it grind, would you recommend it, etc. We have four children, ages 5 and under. So it's not like we'd be going through a loaf of bread at every meal. Wink

In other words, I don't need top of the line right now. NOW, in ten years maybe. Grin

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2006, 06:02:56 PM » by ShabbyChic

There's also a grain mill attachment for a Kitchen-Aid mixer if you have one of those (I don't but my dear friend does). And I saw some affordable hand crank mills at villaware.com and walton feed.

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Re: Everything About Juicers & Juicing
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2006, 06:39:58 PM » by his.silly.wife

How long does your juice stay good? Does it need to down fresh each time? I would like to juice in the evenings, and then be able to just pull it out of the fridge for breakfast.

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