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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2007, 12:23:45 PM » by herbalmom

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2007, 12:52:36 PM » by kaira

I would really like to send a comment on this but I fear mine wouldn't be heard, for fear I wouldn't present my disagreement properly. Does anyone have a sample I can use? I don't want to do "nothing" but I understand that the FDA doesn't really care about the emotion I would probably portray on my own. Thanks.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2007, 01:01:55 PM » by WithLoveAndJoy

If you really feel strongly about it then comment. The worst that could happen is they wouldn't listen...the best that could happen would be that they would.

The more folks they hear from, the more they may consider our point of view. I posted my opinion already.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2007, 03:49:51 PM » by JuliaofSunnyside

Quote from: kaira on April 21, 2007, 12:52:36 PM

If you click on the link on one of the first two posts it takes you to a petition you can sign if that's easier for you. You can use and alter my comment (earlier on this thread) if you want, it's not all that great but might give you a place to start. Maybe others would be willing to paste their comments on here, too.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2007, 07:58:25 PM » by babymakers

Quote from: AllinHisTime on April 20, 2007, 01:29:41 PM

Quote from: larissakissa on April 20, 2007, 11:41:35 AM

Quote from: makingchanges on April 14, 2007, 07:03:10 PM

This makes me so mad. We have freedom here in America? Maybe we moved to a Communist country and we just didn't know it. Embarrassed

You know, even during communist we had more freedom. Trust me, I use to live there!

Ya know, if you read the Communist Manifest by Karl Marx, there are some scary similarities.....

My husband seems to think that it won't matter if we submit our comments because they are going to do what they want to anyway. I think we only have "perceived" rights in this. I would love to be shown otherwise. We all know it's a $$ issue and the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are mad that they can't control this market. Honestly, more people die from their drugs, misdiagnosis and treatment (I think it's up to 250,000 deaths per year see article: http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Medical-Mistakes-That-Kill-Americans-Every-Day-9346.aspx) than anyone even reporting an ill side effect or symptom from natural, herbal things.

Amen sisters!!!! In fact I think they have accomplished everything Carl Marx said had to be done to have a communist society. So subtly too. Praise God we are not persecuted though....

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2007, 12:15:59 AM » by AllinHisTime

Yes, I do thank God that we are not as persecuted as others are internationally. However, our own government and citizens who choose to be uninformed and do whatever the government tells them to, are the ones who do and will persecute us for our convictions. If we don't "get back in line" (communism) and "go with the flow" (uh....surfer talk?) then we are the "unruly" and "weird" ones!!! When in fact, I mostly feel sorry for people so uninterested in the quality of their life that they have to let Big Brother run everything for them....right down to what they put in their bodies. Our government banks, literally, on folks like that, making the mistake that the people of those mentalities are the majority.

HB, I liked your quote....I feel the same way and it is digusting. I just thank Jesus that this is not our Home.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2007, 11:42:33 AM » by AllinHisTime

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2007, 12:53:41 AM » by AgainstTheGrain

The following was part of an e-mail I got from HealthFreedomUSA.org

"Not even the FDA would act so irrationally and irresponsibly", you might think. You would be wrong.
The FDA says that their Guidance is merely a restatement of what is already law. To believe the FDA on this matter one would have to trust the FDA and see it as a fair minded, even-handed regulatory agency working for the good of health and consumers. That belief system would require an Olympic capacity for denial or a large pay check from the pharmaceutical industry, or better yet, both.

One simple reminder out of many, many should suffice:
On October 17, 2006, when the Michigan cherry growers' trade group put up independent scientific studies on their website which showed that cherries possessed health benefits, the FDA announced that the association of a food (cherries) or food components with a health benefit (reduced joint pain) meant to the FDA that cherries were an untested drug and the cherry growers were therefore promoting an illegal drug: cherries. The growers' association was forced under threat of legal action by the Federal Government, to remove that information from their site.***
*** Cherry Growers Association grow untested drug: cherries http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/mar2006_cover_cherries_01.htm

OK - so lets extrapolate this out shall we Cheesy

Herbs become medicinal and only available through your Dr. with an Rx.
When you need GARLIC you need an Rx!
When you need GINGER you need an Rx!

What's next? Are they going to start regulating my personal GARDEN? If I have Purple Coneflowers, or Dandelions, or Lobelia, or Comfrey, etc. growing will they arrest me for having an illegal herb in my yard as if it were marijuana?! Angry

If the FDA had an ounce of COMMON sense and put 2 minutes worth of thought into this they would see how ludicrous it is.

Off my soapbox now Wink

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2007, 12:58:11 AM » by AllinHisTime

Are you sure you want to get off that soapbox??? I'm still listening.. Grin

I hear ya and have thought the same thing! Are they going to kick in my front door for growing a greenhouse full of tomatoes, which have anti-cancer agents?! If they do it with cherries, they will try it with everything else. Time will tell the story......

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2007, 08:02:15 AM » by kayinpa

After reading that article on Cherries, I am reminded of a movie that I partially saw (I fell asleep during the middle of it and woke up at the end) at my brothers house, called "Soylent Green" with Charlton Heston (1973).

Here is someones synopsis of the movie from IMDB.com

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n the year 2022, earth's face has completely changed. New York's population, for example, has grown to 40 million mouths to feed. The greenhouse effect has risen the temperature into nearly unbearable regions, and the people are kept in the cities by law. The rich live in separated luxury apartments (with women as part of the rented furniture) but also experience the lack of natural food. Strawberries are at $150 for a glass of them. Police Detective Thorn investigates a strange murdering case of an official from the Soylent corporation, which feeds the masses with a palette of their creations: Soylent red, yellow, or, even more nutritious, green. Written by Julian Reischl /

It makes me wonder just how prophetic this movie might be to a degree...only instead of overpopulations it would be to much control by the FDA. "Soylent Green is......?" I wont ruin the movie for you if you decided to watch it (I personally thought it was a little boring, but I am not a sci fi fan)

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2007, 11:04:28 AM » by kenshelpmeet

I'm sure most of you have thought about this already, but please forward this info to friends and family.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2007, 10:17:50 PM » by AllinHisTime

UPDATE!!!!!!
The FDA has extended the deadline to May 29th. Here is more info:

FDA EXTENDS DEADLINE TO MAY 29th
FDA's attempts to slip its CAM Guidelines under
the radar fail; deadline for public comment
extended to May 29
http://www.newstarget.com/021810.html

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2007, 10:27:37 AM » by SC

I have a question that I haven't seen addressed. I have little use for the FDA as they are constantly telling our citizens that toxin laden foods are 'safe.' So let me first state that I have no desire to defend them. IMO they have a history of helping us avoid a nationwide catastrophic health crisis while rubber stamping items which permit our gradual decline.

That being said, I'm also a consumer who greatly benefits from natural health resources, herbs, etc. Often, natural remedies work better for our family that anything offered by the pharmacy. However, insurance does not pick up the tab for these things -- even if they are 'prescribed' by a doctor -- because it is not considered medical treatment/remedies. So, we pay for insurance that does not cover the very remedies/care that we need to remain healthy.

I wonder if one of the reasons for this bill (aside from the conspiracy theories) might be to provide a legal definition by which insurance companies can cover these remedies/treatments? IMO, if that is the case, I wonder if there might be a better way to achieve that result?

Just mulling.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2007, 11:16:54 AM » by SC

Quote from: herbfever on April 27, 2007, 10:49:48 AM

Quote from: SC on April 27, 2007, 10:27:37 AM

If you have health insurance it may be a savings depending on your co pay. What about all those who don't have health insurance. That $10.00 bottle of echinacea now needs a prescription and costs 150.00 a bottle from the pharmacy. If it is government regulated will places like Mountain Rose and Bulk Herb store still be in business to even get these things in bulk?

It is not our governments job to make sure we have our medication or supplements. It our job. If we can't afford it would be nice if our brothers and sisters in Christ helped each other and anyone get what we need. If insurance companies get involved then there is also will they approve the medication? There are times when even good insurance companies don't approve medication.

THUD..... did you here me just fall off my soap box? Wink

So after all that blabber, my opinion, is it is OUR job to support each other not letting the government support us. Lets show people Christ not government! Grin

Please re-read my last sentence. I wasn't advocating this stance. I was wondering if that was their motivation. I don't welcome government regulation in this area, nor do I advocate it. My goal is to aim at the root of their thinking. That's why I want to know what they are trying to effect.

While I'm at it I should point out that there are numerous families with children that are very sick from environmental and other toxins that need expensive treatments offered only by alternative health practitioners/remedies. Other families must use organic foods for health reasons. These families incur this expense without any break in their taxes or other many costs. Yet, if they weren't vigilant, there would be an even greater medical cost in treatments of symptoms and/or resulting ill health. Any action that increases the burden to these families could spell financial ruin (rather than a mere hardship) for them.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2007, 12:08:49 PM » by SC

Quote from: herbfever on April 27, 2007, 10:49:48 AM

THUD..... did you hear me just fall off my soap box? Wink

Hope you didn't get a boo-boo. Need a band aid? Wink

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2007, 01:28:11 PM » by JuliaofSunnyside

I've found that buying herbs and paying full price for them is still cheaper than paying a co-pay on insurance-covered prescriptions!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2007, 01:34:38 PM » by herbs girl

Can someone explain what is about to happen? We can't grow garlic, take vit C order Supermom with out a doctor's prescription? Im not seeing this.. Actually I am very confused.

I would greatly appriciate someone to explain!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2007, 02:04:18 PM » by AllinHisTime

Quote from: JuliaofSunnyside on April 27, 2007, 01:28:11 PM

I've found that buying herbs and paying full price for them is still cheaper than paying a co-pay on insurance-covered prescriptions!

Amen! I agree

We were paying $394/week for health insurance for about a year and only went to the Dr.'s twice and that was because I got pregnant. Those two visits cost us about $1100 and come to find out, our insurance had a $1500 deductible, so until we racked the bill up higher than that, they didn't cover anything. It all came out of pocket and I ended up doing a home birth, which was what I had wanted originally!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2007, 02:12:21 PM » by AllinHisTime

Quote from: herbs girl on April 27, 2007, 01:34:38 PM

I'm not sure necessarily that it will get to that point YET, but I do certainly think that that could be where it's all headed if intervention is not made. I am not sure how much they could intervene on us growing our own gardens and using things for medicinal purposes but I do think, if they continue to be a pain and try to pass sneaky bills like this one, that they could make the price of garlic and other things we could grow ourselves, sky rocket. I also think they could make selling any herbs without their stamp of approval, just as illegal as growing/manufacturing marijuana.

This is just my personal opinion but as my husband has to remind me often, he doesn't think our citizens will tolerate it at this point. There are too many M.D.'s who are switching to Natural Health because they are getting tired of not seeing people cured by only treating symptoms. This industry is growing, hence the reason for the need for intervention by government who wants a slice of the $$ too.

Nonetheless, this is God's domain since He gave us the herbs of the land to use. I continue to put my trust in Him, knowing that He will fight our battles for us.

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« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2007, 02:22:39 PM » by herbs girl

Thanks, I was also t hinking along the same lines..."How is the United States of America going to put up with this?" I thought we lived in a *free* country. I think this could be the start of something big. That will be total persecution to me if I can't use or acsess natural remedies. I know, it seems like poeple are trying out more natural stuff all the time.

Could this be the start of the government trying to take over every part of our lives? I just wonder, because its got to start with something "small" or something "you wouldn't think of starting it. If you can understand what I am trying to say. I think there could possibly come a time when we can't worship without "doing it like the legal way" or belong to a certain government church.??

Maybe my ideas are way off, but this is pretty upsetting for me to think about on not being able to acess natural t hings much anymore!! Embarrassed

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« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2007, 03:21:24 PM » by AllinHisTime

Quote from: herbs girl on April 27, 2007, 02:22:39 PM

What most of haven't noticed, or some of us have, is that the government is more and more trying to get away with Big Brother stuff. Cameras on every street light watching our every move, subpoenaing Google and Yahoo search lists, diminishing our freedoms by sneaking bills into legislature, National I.D. cards,spy chips, government systems abusing authority, etc....

It's been going on for a long time and I think the level of intrusion has all stemmed from tolerance of the American people. It's gotta start somewhere and it did I'm just not sure where or when. What is important is that we notice it now and do what we can.

Most importantly, pray !!!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2007, 04:43:23 PM » by kayinpa

Quote from: AllinHisTime on April 27, 2007, 03:21:24 PM

Quote from: herbs girl on April 27, 2007, 02:22:39 PM

AMEN. This is not just starting but has already started.......law similar to these pass "for our safety". Our constitutions allows us the right the bear arms, but we have to pay fees and licenses and the government has track of uses these and limiting our freedom in that area.

We have the right to not be searched w/o a search warrant, but I have heard many stories of the Department of Human Services, coming in and taking children away WITHOUT a search warrant because someone calls them with a rumor that the child is not is school (they are being homeschooled) a parent refuses to have their child vaccinated etc.

The USDA is trying (and succesfully to, some states are already making this law) to get a law passed on Animal Identificaiton System, where ALL farm animals will have to be tracked by this system, usually at the cost of the farmer....This includes those who raise animals for their own use....the one exception, if your animal during its lifetime doesnt leave your property...do you know how many times our chickens have gotten into our next door neighbors yard?

Any many states, you have to notify them and go through some sort of paperwork (lots here in PA) in order to homeschool your children. There are some religious exemptions, but I wonder how long are they going to last.

Anyway, carefully stepping off my soap box so I dont end up like Herbfever. Wink

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2007, 04:45:04 PM » by babymakers

Quote from: herbs girl on April 27, 2007, 02:22:39 PM

We live an unpersecuted life right now but are not really "free". Check out the communist manifesto. The government really owns everything. I mean think about it. We all have a number, we have to have permission to drive, we have to answer to them about our children, we can't build a building on our land w/o a permit and on and on.....

The little stuff to make them have control over us started a LONG time ago and we are just waking up.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2007, 05:22:26 PM » by 5littlegraphs

Ok so I was speaking to some doctors and nutritionists about why they believe herbal and alternative medicines should be outlawed. The number one reason I got from all of them is that herbalists and those who practice alternatives in their private homes for private means only use anecdotal evidence and that herbology and alternative medicine is not based in a pure biology or chemistry science. Our "trials" and "results" are not scientific because we don't do blood tests, body exams, radiological exams, placebo vs. true "meds", and every other rigorus test you can think of. Because we cant say that chemical X in garlic attacks chemical Y in a certain bacteria our remedies are nothing more than snake oil being sold to the gullible.

So, my question to you guys is...........do you have any resources, websites, anything I can use.....we can use.... that is scientificallybased to refute claims of our charlatanism? I know a few times I have been left stammering because I couldn't say EXACTALLY what something did in the body. It's like when someone asks why we have faith in the unseen and we have zero biblical back up we just know its there. Sometimes that is not good enough. "Knowledge is Power" or so I have been told.

Whew didn't think I'd go on that long Shocked

So if anyone has some back up info for me....for any of us.... I'd love to hear it!

Thanks

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2007, 06:23:49 PM » by babymakers

Quote from: herbfever on April 27, 2007, 05:31:56 PM

Quote from: 5littlegraphs on April 27, 2007, 05:22:26 PM

So if anyone has some back up info for me....for any of us.... I'd love to hear it!

Thanks

Here is a book:

Scientific Validation of Herbal Medicine

yeah I did the link, thanks herbalmom!

I also wanted to add that research has not been done on a lot of herbs because a plant cannot be patented. So it is not cost effective for the drug companies. There is also a PDR for Herbal Medicine and a Nurses handbook of Herbal Medicine.

Nutritional Herbology has a lot too.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2007, 07:08:00 AM » by RB

I received this email from Dr. Mercola this morning and he gives a different view on this issue. http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/New-FDA-Initiative-Circulating-the-Net-Does-Not-Warrant-Alarm-or-Action-12707.aspx

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2007, 07:14:04 AM » by Nickole

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We have a friend who refers to this as legalized extortion by the gov't. Makes sense.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2007, 08:32:38 AM » by SC

Quote from: RB on April 28, 2007, 07:08:00 AM

Thanks, RB. That's the line of thinking I was leaning towards. When it comes to government regulatory agencies, I prefer to be reserved in my attempts to sway their procedures. I pray for wisdom and seek my husband's guidance in who or what I contact with an opinion or a request.

The reason that I do this is that I know there are those in power in our country that would like to eliminate opposing viewpoints. It wouldn't surprise me if papers like this weren't used as lures to draw a reaction as they compile some sort of list for later reference. It could be that they want to know who is watching what so that they know where they might slip in legislation 'under the radar.' It could be that they are distracting us from another area. Or (and I hope this isn't the case) it could be that they are composing a file of persons likely to raise opposition and how to overcome their arguments.

Either way, I like to be sure of what the intent and the ramifications of a proposal are before I engage in the fray. IMO it isn't a good plan to show the enemy all of my weapons before they are needed.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2007, 09:03:21 AM » by dara

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So, my question to you guys is...........do you have any resources, websites, anything I can use.....we can use.... that is scientificallybased to refute claims of our charlatanism? I know a few times I have been left stammering because I couldn't say EXACTALLY what something did in the body. It's like when someone asks why we have faith in the unseen and we have zero biblical back up we just know its there. Sometimes that is not good enough. "Knowledge is Power" or so I have been told.

If you want professionally documented information on what plant compound does what, check out the book "Medical Herbalism" by David Hoffman. It's practically a med school level book on the very details you're saying you'd like to know. I checked it out from the library. VERY GOOD! Herbalism IS scientific.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2007, 11:39:28 AM » by 5littlegraphs

Fantastic resources! Thanks guys!!!! Wink

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