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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2007, 01:42:37 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: RB on April 28, 2007, 07:08:00 AM

I received this email from Dr. Mercola this morning and he gives a different view on this issue. http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/New-FDA-Initiative-Circulating-the-Net-Does-Not-Warrant-Alarm-or-Action-12707.aspx

hmmmm....

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2007, 09:18:20 PM » by AgainstTheGrain

Been away from the "Soap Box" for a while while fighting an achy virus and mastitis Tongue

But, I'm nearly back to normal now

Anyway . . . I briefly read Dr. Mercola's stance on this issue, and read down through his attorney's comments . . . BUT I think there are some real underhanded, sneaky, dealings going on with this issue.

If you have access to high speed internet (go to the library if you have to!) go to www.HealthFreedomUSA.com and watch even 10 minutes of the video on their home page by Dr. Rima E. Laibow. It will open your eyes as to WHY this issue is DEEPER than it may appear. The following from NewsTarget.com also suggest that there is more to this issue:

It now seems that the FDA attempted to sneak the new CAM Guidelines under the radar, hoping the public would never notice the guidelines until they had already been adopted and approved. The original CAM Guidelines document was quietly posted by the FDA on the day after Christmas, 2006, yet did not appear in the Federal Register until several months later. By the time the document was able to be found and commented on by the natural health community, only about thirty days remained in the public comment period.

My point in this "Soap Box" Edition is to really urge everyone to send their comments in - and e-mail people to let them know to send their comments in as well. I'm not confident that the deadline has been extended as the NewsTarget.com article indicates, so . . .

Send Your Comments TODAY!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2007, 11:18:33 PM » by makingchanges

Boy was that video interesting. I have never heard of Codex. What can I say?

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2007, 12:31:08 PM » by AgainstTheGrain

Deadline Extended to . . .
May 29

a small victory, but a ray of hope if there is any hope in the FDA at all!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2007, 12:35:38 PM » by herbalmom

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 28, 2007, 09:18:20 PM

My point in this "Soap Box" Edition is to really urge everyone to send their comments in - and e-mail people to let them know to send their comments in as well. I'm not confident that the deadline has been extended as the NewsTarget.com article indicates, so . . .

Send Your Comments TODAY!!

I had this thought also.

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 29, 2007, 12:31:08 PM

Deadline Extended to . . .
May 29

Is this still a media quote that it was extended or has someone seen something "official" from the FDA saying that yes, it has been extended. Just wondering because I still wonder if it has REALLY been extended or not. Blessings ~herbalmom

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2007, 01:06:30 PM » by WithLoveAndJoy

This page from Mercola seems to explain that this is not as dire a thing as many are saying?
http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/New-FDA-Initiative-Circulating-the-Net-Does-Not-Warrant-Alarm-or-Action-12707.aspx

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2007, 06:12:53 PM » by healthfact

Read their statement carefully. They are mentioning doctors (M.D.'s). This would affect YOU as a self-diagnosing, self-medicating person or your health food department clerk or anyone, else from recommending or selling you vitamins, herbs, homeopathic, vegetable juices, raw sprouts, ect... They are only allowing M.D.'s this authority. Wait until they ban your juicer or come and fine you for growing goldenseal or other herbs in your garden. THIS is what people are concerned about b/c they are wanting to ban such things and only repackage it as FDA approved under an M.D.'s prescription. This article does not refute this. Katherine Butts, RN, BSN

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2007, 06:53:16 PM » by herbs girl

This is almost unbeleivable really!! I beleive it, but I just think its going to be hard for the FDA to draw the line. What is going to be "medicinal" and what is not? I mean really, a *good portion* of the food that we eat every day, if we eat healthfully could be considered "medicine"

I was talking to my husband about this, and was telling him that I think this will affect a big portion of the United States poeple. I mean think about it, most poeple take some kind of vitamin, some kind of supplement, even they aren't as health conscience as they could be.

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« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2007, 07:12:20 PM » by herbalmom

I can't find anything that is actually from the FDA saying the comment period has been extended. Has anyone seen something OFFICIAL or is it possible that it was "leaked" that it was extended when it actually wasn't just so they wouldn't get slammed with comments the last few days that they didn't want to bother with or a record of. Internet research isn't my strong point- can someone help with this? Thanks Blessings ~herbalmom

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Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 28, 2007, 09:18:20 PM

I had this thought also.

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 29, 2007, 12:31:08 PM

Deadline Extended to . . .
May 29

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2007, 09:33:24 AM » by healthybratt

Docket Info From FDA(with extended comment deadline)

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2007, 09:39:27 AM » by herbs girl

If this law passes, what will we talk about here on WTM? IF we can't take anything natural anymore?

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2007, 09:42:46 AM » by herbalmom

Quote from: healthybratt on April 30, 2007, 09:33:24 AM

Docket Info From FDA(with extended comment deadline)

Thanks HB. Blessings ~herbalmom

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2007, 09:54:30 AM » by kayinpa

Quote from: herbs girl on April 30, 2007, 09:39:27 AM

If this law passes, what will we talk about here on WTM? IF we can't take anything natural anymore?

We will just have to talk in code! (hear mission impossible song). I wonder if I can convert my basement into a greenhouse (with flourescent lights) and laboratory.

Part of my understanding when reading the FDA guidelines is that as long as we are taking herbs etc for "Maintaining" health....then we dont need a prescription for something....(because it falls under the "dietary supplements") but if it is to "treat" an existing condition, then we do (because then it falls under the term drugs). The important thing is how it is labeled. Now I know these things can change and may I am misunderstanding part of this, but maybe we can still talk about "maintaining health"! Even so, I dont think they are automatically going to "pull the rug" out from under us, but that it is going take time to implement.

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2007, 09:59:09 AM » by herbs girl

Quote from: kayinpa on April 30, 2007, 09:54:30 AM

Quote from: herbs girl on April 30, 2007, 09:39:27 AM

If this law passes, what will we talk about here on WTM? IF we can't take anything natural anymore?

SO in the meantime if they pass this we will have to HOARD and learn how to grow things in our gardens, and learn to use what we are limited to treat our ailments.

Or could we "maintain" our health, all the time even when we are not so healthy Grin

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2007, 10:10:18 AM » by pdg4kids

Well, I suppose that would mean RUSH on Learning for newbies!
I have been just looking for the right literature on herbalism. I want to grow my own, but feel a sense of urgency now with this FDA thing!
pdg4kids

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2007, 10:23:08 AM » by healthfact

Quote from: herbalmom on April 30, 2007, 09:42:46 AM

Quote from: healthybratt on April 30, 2007, 09:33:24 AM

Docket Info From FDA(with extended comment deadline)

Wow! This link give you the ability to DIRECTLY give your opinion to the FDA and it is attached to the actual docket! I say that every lay person or medical professional should click on this link and send your comments in! I found a third party person who sends in your opinion but this is better b/c you have an open forum to submit... Check it out! Katherine Butts, RN, BSN

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« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2007, 10:28:26 AM » by healthfact

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I have to say that according to the new restrictions, unless I am mistaken, the FDA will ban you from growing the herbs and restrict the seed from being sold (kinda like marjuana (sp?). Our hoarding will only be contingent on how much you can fight off the person next to you to get your hands on it. Then again, a lot of CAM has an expiration so eventually, years down the road, you won't have anything. Our juicers would also be regulated as "medical devices" and raw sprouts only prescription (as I understand it). Seems to me that the seed for sprouts would also be under tight control eventually... Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but this was how it was described to me. Your property could be searched and you fined if they find restricted herbs and as they hand you the bill, they are burning your garden :O . Perhaps I am wrong and this is embellished, but then again, if it is not, we need to wake up!

Katherine Butts, RN, BSN

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2007, 01:10:39 PM » by herbs girl

I posted on the Ovusoft.com message boards about this FDA thing. MOst of the poeple that responeded just knocked it down saying it was a hoax and there wasnt anything to it. Why do some poeple feel this way? Is it because they are decieved ?

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2007, 05:28:35 PM » by AgainstTheGrain

Quote from: healthfact on April 29, 2007, 06:12:53 PM

Wait until they ban your juicer or come and fine you for growing goldenseal or other herbs in your garden. THIS is what people are concerned about b/c they are wanting to ban such things and only repackage it as FDA approved under an M.D.'s prescription. This article does not refute this. Katherine Butts, RN, BSN

THIS is my concern . . . what will this lead to next? If they can get away with the small change what about having "Garden Police"? Next they'll be arresting people because they have Dandelions (they are a good herb). In some ways my mind cannot fathom this, but ya know I'm sure people felt that way when they came up with building codes for how houses, etc. had to be build.

Quote from: herbs girl on April 30, 2007, 01:10:39 PM

Ya know - I think some people just DON"T realize or want to realize how corrupt our government is. They want to believe that we still live in the free country that we were founded to be . . . YUP! Deception from da Devil Tongue

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2007, 09:31:43 PM » by babymakers

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 30, 2007, 05:28:35 PM

Quote from: healthfact on April 29, 2007, 06:12:53 PM

Quote from: herbs girl on April 30, 2007, 01:10:39 PM

Yup, Amen, amen, amen, amen!!

Their power only goes so far though. Most herbs grow wild. Get a book from the library and learn what stuff is growing near your home. You will be amazed. God made so many "weeds" herbs! We should be prepared for anything anyhow. What if we had a war or devistating weather disaster or your husband lost his job? We should know how to help ourselves without ordering herbs through a company. I live in the Eastern US and have Hawthorn, Dandelion, Poke Root, Chicory, Burdock, Plantain, Black Walnut and MORE growing near me. I guarantee if you learn what stuff looks like and learn how to harvest it you will amaze yourself. It is easy. So ladies, breath...it will be okay!!!!!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #80 on: April 30, 2007, 10:42:30 PM » by AgainstTheGrain

Quote from: babymakers on April 30, 2007, 09:31:43 PM

Their power only goes so far though. Most herbs grow wild. Get a book from the library and learn what stuff is growing near your home. You will be amazed. God made so many "weeds" herbs! We should be prepared for anything anyhow. What if we had a war or devistating weather disaster or your husband lost his job? We should know how to help ourselves without ordering herbs through a company. I live in the Eastern US and have Hawthorn, Dandelion, Poke Root, Chicory, Burdock, Plantain, Black Walnut and MORE growing near me. I guarantee if you learn what stuff looks like and learn how to harvest it you will amaze yourself. It is easy. So ladies, breath...it will be okay!!!!!!

Inhale . . . . . . . . . . . . . Exhale . . . . . . . . . . Ahhhhhhh! Thanks Babymakers!!
But, I think this is my point. If they would put 2 minutes of thought into this they would realize it can't be done on a wide scale. Maybe it's just that people that don't THINK drive me NUTS Shocked

Anyway - the above is what I'm starting to do now! Made my first tinctures last fall. Just got my Herb Making Kit from LearningHerbs.com to make salves and lip balms Cheesy

which also includes a home study course, a cultivation guide, etc. and God has given me a new vision for planting my flower garden since so many flowers are medicinal. I have a clean slate 'cause there's nothing in our yard now. I'm thinking Echinacea, Lobelia, Comfrey, etc. I wonder if tulips have some sort of medicinal qualities?

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2007, 09:34:08 AM » by kayinpa

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 30, 2007, 10:42:30 PM

and God has given me a new vision for planting my flower garden since so many flowers are medicinal. I have a clean slate 'cause there's nothing in our yard now. I'm thinking Echinacea, Lobelia, Comfrey, etc. I wonder if tulips have some sort of medicinal qualities?

And while your at it dont forget to sow some of these seeds on the "highways and biways" Wink

like Miss Rumphius did with the Lupines (See the book "Miss Rumphius" by Barbara Cooney"

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2007, 07:33:08 AM » by kayinpa

Just received this update from mercola.com this morning...thought I would pass it on!

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/FDA-Legislation-Update-13774-s.aspx

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2007, 07:38:50 AM » by herbs girl

Looks like he's a little more wary of the situation then his last report!!

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2007, 12:11:48 PM » by denim&lace

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on April 30, 2007, 10:42:30 PM

Quote from: babymakers on April 30, 2007, 09:31:43 PM

Anyway - the above is what I'm starting to do now! Made my first tinctures last fall. Just got my Herb Making Kit from LearningHerbs.com to make salves and lip balms Cheesy

For anybody living in Alaska.... along these same lines of thinking... here is a resource that I've found to be useful.
http://www.ankn.uaf.edu:8080/resources/mod/glossary/showentry.php?courseid=7&eid=32608&displayformat=dictionary

Alaska's Wilderness Medicines: an Alaska Herbal Guide (by: Eleanor G. Viereck)

the entire book was once posted online, but now it seems it must be purchased. But WOW, what a resource! For every plant listed it has a picture (hand drawn, but accurate) a description, where it is most likely found, how it has been traditionally used and what has been discovered about it more recently...

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Re: FDA to Limit Access to Natural Health Products (Deadline April 30)
« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2007, 12:33:21 PM » by AgainstTheGrain

VICTORY . . . for now!!!
I received this from www.HealthFreedomUSA.org this morning. Our voices DO still matter!! Sorry this is long, but there wasn't really any info I felt was not important.

Good News Travels Fast!
Your activism just saved supplements from being turned into "untested drugs"! Big Pharma will be back, but today, we can do a victory dance!

Thank you 435,005 times. That's the number of people who used our site to submit their comments to the FDA on their dangerous CAM Guidance through our site. 182,484 succeeded but, since our site was interfered with several times, 252,521 people did not. We were working feverishly to submit those comments manually.

Ready for Some Great News?
Although the FDA denied our request to extend the comment, failed to update its site or its comment tally, extended the comment period and then resinded the extension (!), our collective voice won us a huge victory in Congress today. Because we rallied behind our health freedom and access to natural health products, every member of the Senate voting today heard us loud and clear and acted -- without a single dissenting voice -- to protect our health freedom!

Read what "the Vitamin Lawyer ", Ralph Fucetola, has to say about the impact of our activism in an email on the topic today:

"And some very good news: Congress has accepted the following amendment to S.1082 - Enhancing Drug Safety and Innovation Act of 2007 - from Sen. Durbin. It appears that Congress heard our concerns! Hundreds of thousands of messages to FDA no doubt reverberated through the halls of Congress. The amendment was adopted by the Senate 94 to zero.
Sec. X08. Rule of Construction
Nothing in this title (or an amendment made by this title) shall be construed to affect--
(1) The regulation of dietary supplements under the Dietary Supplement
Health and Education Act; or
(2) The adverse event reporting system for dietary supplements created
under the Dietary Supplement and Nonprescription Drug Consumer Protection Act.

Like many victories in Congress, you hardly ever get everything you want. Leading supplement industry lawyer, J. Emord, originally proposed exempting all "foods" from the new law (Counsel stated: "It is a fundamental tenet of food and drug law that foods and food ingredients are presumed to be safe and have to be established to be adulterated only if they present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury." This approach would have offered even greater protection for natural products, but we are grateful that enough members of Congress heard the loud shout from the public and responded so quickly to at least protect DSHEA products -- the power of Internet politics at its best."

Internet Politics at its best: That's YOU!
And Now the Same Process is Taking Place in Codex!
The same thing is happening on the International level, in Codex Alimentarius. There is a roaring tide of empowered voices saying "We decide how we want our freedom served, thank you!"

When the US once again tried to kill further consideration of mandatory labeling of genetically modified foods and ingredients (GMOs) at the Codex Committee on Food Labeling (CCFL) here in Ottawa, Canada, they got a rude surprise. Instead of letting the US/Canada/Australia/New Zealand/Argentina/Mexico/Brazil bloc of GMO grain exporters have their way and kill any international requirement for such labeling, which would be consistent with the US refusal to allow suceh labeling in the US, and very, very good for its friend, the Biotech industry, the story played out rather differently.

False and Misleading Truth
Continuing to work on the premise that the truth about GMO food would be false and misleading, the US has been trying to extend its own domestic policy of prohibiting GMO labeling to the rest of the world.

The issue of labeling has been on CCFL's docket for 14 years. For that entire time, the hugely powerful US has prevented any forward progress toward required mandatory labeling of GMO foods in international trade.

Mad as *%#@ and Not Taking It Anymore!
Last year, at the CCFL, the US proposed discontinuing any effort to reach an agreement on the labeling of GMO foods since no consensus had been reached (thanks in large part, of course, to the US). That would have meant that there were no international standards to which any biotech-importing country's products could be held and developing countries, without laboratory capacity to check food, would have no way of knowing what their people were getting.

Norway, which has a strict non GMO policy, was not happy with that idea and proposed a Working Group to meet in Oslo early in 2007. The Natural Solutions Foundation attended that meeting (so did a representative of Monsanto and the Biotech industry group -- AS A MEMBER OF THE US DELEGATION) at which the desire of many countries not to allow the flawed US policy to determine its food safety in this area crystallized.

In the US, as you know, GMO foods undergo NO mandatory government (or 3rd party) safety testing -- NONE -- and are permitted -- unlabeled and therefore untraceable -- in the food supply by the FDA and USDA. Their industry-friendly rationale was explained at that meeting. GMO foods are presumed to be safe according to FDA's Dr. Barbara Schneeman although their safety has not been tested. FDA and independent research, she said, consistently shows that consumers would not buy GMO foods if they knew they were genetically altered. Therefore, she explained, to keep consumers from making the "wrong decision" and rejecting GMO food, the FDA prevents labeling GMO foods to protect the consumer from "false and misleading information". This US policy was accurateley characterized by the EU delegate as "weird"

(I kid you not! The Supreme Court of the United States, by the way, has ruled that the FDA cannot do that when it was considering a similar case. Undeterred, it does so anyway.)

A Different Menu at Chez Codex This Year!
This year, however, possibly because of the Working Group's strong report, things did not turn out the way the US was expecting. Instead of dropping the whole issue, the developing countries used their massive collective strength just the way we did in controlling the FDA's attack on our health freedom.

Since they rightly regard knowing whether their food is genetically modified or not, the developing countries rose up en mass to protect their rights and health. Barbados, Benin, Gabon, C'ote D'Ivoire, Mali, Switzerland, Sweden, Vanuatu, Sudan, Nepal, India, Guyana, Ghana, Thailand, France, Italy, Bulgaria, Germany, the European Union as a whole, on and on and on went to roll call of developing countries that said they wanted an international policy on this issue to protect their people. The consumer rights group (like Consumers International) supported the right to know and, over the objections -- the strenuous objections -- of the US and its GMO buddies, the collective voices of the developing world and (its allies on this issue at least) prevailed.

There WILL be a working group on this issue next January in Ghana. The Natural Solutions Foundation WILL be there! And, in the meantime, we will be providing scientific and legal input to the health friendly nations to assist them in their public policy development and their laboratory capacity (a critical issue).

My Food Is Killing Me!
Our food is globalizing so the higher the standards for that globalized food supply, the safer every forkful of food becomes. And the cleaner and more nutritious that food supply is the more people are spared the human tragedy of preventable non communicable diseases of under nutrition here and abroad. What you eat helps determine if you will suffer and die of cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes, etc., according to the World Health Organization. What's killing most of us in the developed world? Once you take out properly used prescription drugs (the leading killer of people in the developed world*), food related diseases are killing us. Add to that the diseases of immune suppression which develop when nutritional levels are
inadequate and you have a perfect recipe for global disaster. Codex has, in our opinion, been cooking up exactly just such a disaster since its inception in 1952 by the former head of the German industrial war machine, IG Farben and its first committee meetings in 1963.

The recipe for disaster is definitely being spoiled by the health friendly chefs who raised their voices collectively at Codex in precisely the same thrust that voters did in the US over this last month.

My compliments to the Freedom Chef!
Next the Natural Solutions Foundation is off to the Open International University of Complimentary Medicine in Santa Fe to share the good word: we, collectively, ARE powerful and our voices DO make a difference! Thanks for your freedom shouts!

Yours in health and freedom,
Dr. Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director
Natural Solutions Foundation
www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

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Re: FDA to eliminate vitamin companies
« Reply #86 on: June 27, 2007, 05:48:00 AM » by kayinpa

I hope that it is Ok that I am resurrecting this threat because of an article I read on newswithviews.com. Evidently the FDA is the planning to eliminate vitamin companies. I am not sure how this effects other things such as tinctures....but here is the link that you can read for yourself or just google S1082.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron36.htm

http://www.wellnessresources.com/newsroom/index.php/content/articles/s1082_the_voice_of_the_people_is_being_heard/

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Re: FDA to eliminate vitamin companies
« Reply #87 on: June 27, 2007, 08:32:59 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: kayinpa on June 27, 2007, 05:48:00 AM

Okay, the first article is doing alot of flaming and screaming but didn't offer any information and what we can do about it. Any thoughts?

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