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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2006, 09:02:44 PM » by jamieandsamuelsmom

My younger boy that had the allergic colitis is allergic to bananas, peanuts, and possibly corn. He used to have blood in his stools even before I tried him on foods, and for awhile every food we tried made it worse. Later, a gastroenterologist convinced me to try him on elemental formula, which we did for awhile. When he had only the formula, I found he reacted every time I gave infant Tylenol, or any other medicine in suspension form. And tylenol suppositories gave him a horrible rash on his bottom. I found that he tolerated 1/3 of a regular strength tablet, crushed. Turns out his pepcid also had banana flavoring, no wonder he had bloody stools every day on that. Peanuts I accidentally gave a couple potato chips fried in peanut oil and saw mucous in his diaper the next day. Anyhow, we think corn because a lot of the ingredients in medications can be derived from corn.

So anyhow, there are definately food allergies there. I wish I knew the whole picture of what happened to cause all this.

Jen

Quote from: murfette on July 17, 2006, 07:49:32 PM

You see, we discovered when he was 9 months old that he had a severe egg allergy. Even just rubbing a little bit of an egg on his face causes him to break out in that area. I learned that some childhood vaccines have eggs in them. Now some doctors say it is still safe to get a vaccine even with an egg allergy and nothing will happen. But I also talked to my natural health doctor who said that if we had vaccinated him as a newborn with that allergy he could have gotten extremely sick or worse. Considering the severity of his allergy I'm positive something would have happened. If we had vaccinated him we never would have attributed it to an egg allergy because he had yet to try eggs and there are no food allergies in our families.

Something to think about.

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2006, 10:37:02 PM » by catholicmom

My daughter (child #4) is 10 mos. old. She hasn't had any vaccinations because I was undecided. I wondered if it was OK to skip them all together. Does anyone know of certain vaccinations she should have?

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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2006, 08:47:32 AM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: catholicmom on July 17, 2006, 10:37:02 PM

don't know if you've read them yet, but there are several threads on vaccinations if you search for that in the search bar. god bless on your journey! Wink

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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2006, 12:22:27 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: catholicmom on July 17, 2006, 10:37:02 PM

Vaccinations: Do You or Don't You.

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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2006, 09:53:57 PM » by happysprings5

Hi there,
I tried to read the entire thread on vaccinations do or don't, but it is reallllly long! So I will post my experience and question here. I did have my kids vaccinated. Praise the Lord they are all healthy anyway. I am so glad I was unaware of the makeup of the shots (as posted about the fetal tissue). Anyway, I am uneducated about the issue(except for what I am learning on this site). I have only been going toward the natural route since a Christian owned health food store opened in our small town. I agree with the lady who posted the question about coming to the place most of you ladies are w/ natural foods, health etc. When you were not raised like that, sometimes it seems hard to know where to start on this road to optimal health.So we are taking baby steps and reading alot! Anyway, my question is I still have some shots that my youngest is not up to date on, so when you go to the Dr. and they harass you about getting them, do you have to present a form for religious excemption? Or just say NO and leave ???Does anyone know of a website that would show the "rules" of your state. I actually had a Dr. tell me I could not be a patient at his office if I did not vaccinate. Any thoughts on this would be great!Wendy

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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2006, 09:57:21 PM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: happysprings5 on July 19, 2006, 09:53:57 PM

i have just opted to stay out of the dr. office unless someone has a broken bone! it is hard to stand your ground, but must be done. i would look hard for a dr. in my area that agreed with my beliefs or at least respected them. no fun to go somewhere you're not welcome. Wink

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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2006, 10:01:31 PM » by Christal

Quote from: fivewittletids on July 19, 2006, 09:57:21 PM

i would look hard for a dr. in my area that agreed with my beliefs or at least respected them. no fun to go somewhere you're not welcome. Wink

We found our doctor who supports our decision not to vaccinate by asking other people we knew were naturalists.

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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2006, 10:06:39 PM » by healthybratt

Yes, and we caved every time. Undecided

Not sure about the boosters though. Hubby is still thinking it over.

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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2006, 10:16:24 PM » by jaemom

Hi Wendy,

I had the same experience recently. The pediatrician we had been seeing told me he would not treat my kids if we did not vaccinate. So, I said, "Thank you for being up front and not wasting my time, but these are my children, not yours, and I will do what I feel is best for them. Now I will go find a doctor that will respect my decisions and allow me to make informed ones whether he or she agrees or disagrees." Then I walked out. I was just a little angry even though I knew it could happen. In my opinion, doctors are there to help us make informed decisions about our health care and the health care of our family. They inform, we decide. When looking for a new doctor (whom we haven't seen yet) I was up front with him about what I was looking for in a doctor. We are going on Monday, and I will tell him exactly that....he informs, but we decide. Keep in mind that the doctor works for you, and you'll feel less intimidated. The only time kids are required to have shots are if they are in daycare or public/private school. Check www.909shot.com for information about the laws in your state. Also, you do not have to follow the recommended schedule for vaccinations. Some people wait until the child is 2 or older, and some get one unmixed shot every 6 months. I would do a search on this website and read a LOT more before you decided to continue vaccinating. They can always get their shots later, however, you can't undo it after it's been done. Hope this helps.

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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2006, 10:20:38 PM » by happysprings5

I KNOW! They pressure you so much~ I just finished reading some of the thread started by Gabe about his Dr. visit......the stories about Dr.'s calling Moms bad Moms for not getting their babies the vaccinations....wow! I guess I am not alone. The day the Dr. told me I could not be a patient there w/ out the shots I left crying......crazy I know! My hubby said to find a new Dr. the minute a Doc tries to MAKE us do anything, we had to draw the line somewhere! It would just be nice if you had a legal looking formal document that said NO to the V's so they could add that to your chart and you could go on with your day and continue to travel a HEALTHY road! Just my thoughts! Wendy

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« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2006, 10:25:20 PM » by happysprings5

Thanks for this post, we were typing at the same time! I am going to talk to the lady who owns our local health food store, she is sure to know of a Dr. who is not so pushy and I will check the link about my state requirements. I do homeschool, so I have not had the school entry to deal with, thank the Lord!
THANKS to everyone with all the helpful info! THIS site is the BEST!
Wendy

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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2006, 10:33:48 PM » by jaemom

Oh yeah one more thing, if you can't find or go to a natural doctor, try going with a family doctor instead of a pediatrician. They are usually more open about non-vaccinating than ped's are.

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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2006, 07:12:41 AM » by blessedmommy

we told our doctor... actually the nurse at the front desk (she was more pushy than the doc. Roll Eyes

) that she would have to provide for us a written copy of where it says in the law that we are required to vaccinate. those are the exact words i was advised by a lawyer to say. they shut up really fast. then she handed me a stack of papers that she had printed off the internet about what would happen if the whole country started not vaccinating and asked me to sign a release. i declined and assured her that this was something that i had done much research on. Roll Eyes

stand firm...

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2006, 08:19:39 AM » by Elizab04

They do put on a lot of pressure. With our first child we had a doctor who really, really thought we should vaccinate. She never forced us, but at every visit the topic came up. One of our concerns was the aborted fetal tissue used in some vaccines. We told her the end does not justify the means. She said she thought the end DID justify the means. That was our last visit. She thought we should try to find a doctor who accepted our viewpoint, so did we. We saw another doctor that had no idea about the fetal tissue thing. I think he thought I was crazy. Now we see a family doctor who doesn't mind either way. She is not in our insurance plan, but when you don't vaccinate you don't have to go nearly as often. My suggestion is to brush up on the reasons why you don't want to vaccinate before you go to the doctor's. They always want to know why you don't want to vaccinate. They put you on the spot, and if you don't remember why you feel pretty dumb. Embarrassed

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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2006, 08:22:57 AM » by Elizab04

I think in a lot of states you can get vaccine exemption waivers even for kids going to school/daycare. I'm not sure where, though. I would check www.909shot.com

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2006, 10:36:22 AM » by khix

Quote from: Numero on June 02, 2006, 06:04:30 PM

Group 1. Hospital birth, Vitamin E, Eyedrops, bottle fed, all the shots while they're tots, fluoridated water, regular well baby checkups with the ensuing rounds with antibiotics, standard American diet, etc.

Just because a parents gives birth in a hospital, doesn't mean they bottle feed, or any of the above. Just because a parent does one thing listed, doesn't mean they do all things listed. All my kids were born in a hospital, and I breastfed all my kids...the youngest I breast fed for 2 years, and she's the only one who developed a milk allergy (I think it's because her immune system was too strong, and it decided to attack milk proteins, along with everything else!). Also, just because I have vaccinated my kids, doesn't mean I let them have antibiotics every time they are sick. You can't go around lumping people who vaccinate their kids into the same category with people who bottle-feed, or use too much antibiotics, or eat an unhealthy diet, etc. That is wrong & unfair. I felt very insulted, to see that you think that people who vaccinate their kids are bad parents who never breastfeed & let their kids eat french fries & drink soda every day, and give their kids antibiotics with every sniffle. To do a study like that is wrong & would be very misleading. A study would have to be where EVERY factor is the same (diet, place of birth, use of antibiotics, etc, etc) EXCEPT for the vaccine factor. THEN, and only then, would it be able to be proven whether or not the vaccine was the cause of a particular illness or reaction or a bad immune system.

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Re: Vaccinations: Dealing With Doctors & Pressures
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2006, 10:36:42 AM » by IMPersuadd

A couple of things I told my doctor before switching to a naturopath.

That I would do no vaccinations while nursing (that bought me 1-2 years). They know the whole immunity through the breast milk so can't argue that one too much.

Secondly that our lifestyle did not expose our young children to the diseases. No daycare, no nurseries, stay-at-home family, etc. That if/when that changed I would consider vaccinations.

By "acting" logical it bought time and didn't look like I was completely rejecting their recommendations.

Lori

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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2006, 08:05:14 PM » by SHERRI REEL

Gabe, what research have you come up with since april ?
I got a little from those links that you provided but I can't get my mind to put it into laymans terms, my basic questions are what are the pro's and the con's.
My youngest (of 4) is 9mo. and has had everything for his age but MMR and chicken pox and the other updates so I don't know if I am to late to even say no to the rest of them anyway?!
All the info has me confused.
Should I continue with what was started and forgo the MMR and CH P, or stop them all-together?
Sherri

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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2006, 11:35:26 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: khix on July 20, 2006, 10:36:22 AM

Quote from: Numero on June 02, 2006, 06:04:30 PM

I felt very insulted, to see that you think that people who vaccinate their kids are bad parents who never breastfeed & let their kids eat french fries & drink soda every day, and give their kids antibiotics with every sniffle.

I don't think anything insulting was intended. She was merely suggesting that the information around is very misleading and the "typical American kid" is subject to most of the things listed in Group 1. As far as I can tell, she was not pointing fingers. The truth is, I "was" a group 1 mom for many years for lack of education on the matter. I tried to do what I thought was healthy for my kids, but most of what I knew came from doctors and the mainstream media and to listen to them, you'd think that Group 1 kids will turn out to be the healthiest. I, along with thousands of other mothers have been duped by "the system".

Try not to take it personal, as I'm sure it wasn't. Let's try to keep it friendly. Grin

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2006, 11:36:50 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: SHERRI REEL on July 20, 2006, 08:05:14 PM

Should I continue with what was started and forgo the MMR and CH P, or stop them all-together?
Sherri

If it were me, I'd definately opt out of the chicken pox vax. I already did my kids and with what I know now, if I had to do it all over again, I would have put my foot down.

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« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2006, 06:38:49 AM » by jaemom

Quote from: SHERRI REEL on July 20, 2006, 08:05:14 PM

Sherri,

My one year old had all her shots up until her 9 mo old shots. She hasn't had any since. We are not doing any vaccinations at this time because we do not feel she has a risk for any of the diseases they routinely vaccinate for. We do feel that our circumstances now allow for this, if our circumstances were to change, we will reconsider. She has not received the MMR or Chicken Pox vaccines. It won't hurt them if you stop altogether, mine didn't finish any of the courses they prescribe. Check this thread for undoing the damages of vaccines. http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1090.0.html Hope this helps.

Michelle

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« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2006, 02:03:36 PM » by HamDiggy

16 years ago, we were also told in anger to never return to the pediatrician we took our newborn daughter to. Several later, we have decided that we either visit holistic (ie: New Age) MDs who actually respect the education (I like that angle, Gabe, having read over 25 books on the subject, and hundreds of articles) of parents who make a decision not to use drugs in healthy children.

Fast forward 13 years, and we are taking our home birthed 5th child (as were his siblings) to a pediatrician we are told is open to parents making their own vaccine choices. Hearing that our newborn now has three cousins with Autism, the woman looks me in the eyes and says: 'Don't ever consider vaccinating a baby again in your family, with your history.'

Educate yourselves. Make your own decisions. Vaccines are a huge industry - and pediatricians have little reason to charge you for all those 'well baby visits' if you are not vaccinating. Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public. Recall that children suffered the effects, some fatal, of Small Pox vaccination for a full three decades before the government decided that it was time to stop mass vaccination for it.

It isn't a black and white decision - and you may choose some over others. Make an informed decision Shocked

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« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2006, 04:31:12 PM » by khix

Quote from: HamDiggy on July 25, 2006, 02:03:36 PM

Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public.

Really? Where did you hear that? I was under the impression it didn't disappear until after the vaccines came about. If it wasn't the vaccines that erradicated polio, then what was it?

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« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2006, 04:48:18 PM » by jaemom

I have read several places that polio was on it's way out when they began vaccinating for it. I wish I could remember where, but I've done so much reading in such a short time, that I can't remember where any of the specifics are.

I wanted to share the good news. I took my 5yo in to a new family doctor. He never even mentioned the vaccine issue. I thanked hom for not giving me a hard time about it and he asked if it would've mattered if he had given me a hard time. I said no and that I have done a ton of research, pro and con on the subject. He replied that he figured as much and that he respected that we made a well informed decision. I was just happy not to have to go through all that again.

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« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2006, 01:40:03 PM » by Christal

Quote from: khix on July 25, 2006, 04:31:12 PM

Quote from: HamDiggy on July 25, 2006, 02:03:36 PM

Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public.

Really? Where did you hear that? I was under the impression it didn't disappear until after the vaccines came about. If it wasn't the vaccines that erradicated polio, then what was it?

The book "Vaccinations - Deception and Tragedy" by Michael Dye gives lots of statistics and dates for diseases and the vaccines. This book also says that most diseases had low occurrence rates until vaccines were introduced.

The book gives statistics on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome also. According to the book most SIDS deaths are reported within a week of vaccines being administered and the government admits that though 10,000 SIDS deaths are linked to vaccines a year, the number is probably more like 100,000. They think doctors just don't note the connection in the reports.

This book is very informative. It is definitely against vaccines but uses lots and lots of government statistics to back up its position.

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« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2006, 02:27:26 PM » by healthyinOhio

Quote from: Christal on July 26, 2006, 01:40:03 PM

Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public.

Really? Where did you hear that? I was under the impression it didn't disappear until after the vaccines came about. If it wasn't the vaccines that erradicated polio, then what was it?

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You can find the acutal chart in the book: Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective. It shows the proof. Also, our own CDC states that the ONLY cause of Polio in the U.S. is the vaccine, itself.

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« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2006, 04:19:42 PM » by ARmom

We had an interesting experience with our nurse practitioner a couple of months ago. Our two older K's had swollen glands in their necks. No other symptoms. I watched them closely uped their vit. C and echinacea, but after a week and a half they were still swollen. Since we were planning a family trip we decided to get them checked out. She(the nurse prac.) asked my husband if they were up to date on mumps shots. He calmly said no. She proceded to freak out and was about to call the health dept., since there have been some outbreaks of mumps lately. Then good sense or something took over and she decided to rule out other possibilities. Sure enough the first test they did was for Strep and that is what it was. She Even told my husband that she felt that kids were being exposed to too many compounds at once these days.

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« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2006, 11:37:31 PM » by mamaoffour

Quote from: Gabriel Anast on April 18, 2006, 12:53:01 PM

After readnig all that... and a couple others, I went to this site:

Think Twice

...and bought a couple of their books, and a DVD. We'll see how it goes.

I have seen this website and it is wonderful for spreading the news about vaccines. I bought a book off of the sight as well. It was so good!! It's called "Vaccines Are They Really Safe And Effective?" After reading the book(in about 2 hours) I will never put a needle in any of my other children again. Very interesting stuff!! My first child was fully vaccinated only because we were uneducated about the risks involved. Let me know what you think about the website. Very informative!! I think everyone with small children should check out the site.

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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2006, 09:46:48 AM » by HamDiggy

There is a famous chart of the #s of Polio cases that many vaccine info books include. If you search, you would most likely find it on the web. It is astounding (if the #s are accurate) to see the flow chart go from high to quite low, well before the introduction of the vaccine. Personally, I believe that vaccine was pretty effective, and would have my dc get it were they to travel to a country with Polio.

Let me know if you cannot find it and I will search for it. I think 'Shot in the Dark' may contain it.

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Quote from: HamDiggy on July 25, 2006, 02:03:36 PM

Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public.

Really? Where did you hear that? I was under the impression it didn't disappear until after the vaccines came about. If it wasn't the vaccines that erradicated polio, then what was it?

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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2006, 09:50:46 AM » by HamDiggy

Thanks - it's been a decade since we've done the research.

A recent conversation with our Allergist (pro-vac, of course) about the Mercury/Autism connection left me really curious (with 3 members in our extended family autistic). The dr. said that the whole notion of mercury causing autism was introduced by the drug companies, right before they were to release mercury-free vaccines. Has anyone heard this at all?

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Quote from: Christal on July 26, 2006, 01:40:03 PM

Remember that Polio was nearly gone the year before the vaccine was introduced to the mass public.

Really? Where did you hear that? I was under the impression it didn't disappear until after the vaccines came about. If it wasn't the vaccines that erradicated polio, then what was it?

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You can find the acutal chart in the book: Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective. It shows the proof. Also, our own CDC states that the ONLY cause of Polio in the U.S. is the vaccine, itself.

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