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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2006, 04:30:29 PM » by Nickole

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I buy salmon instead of tuna

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I but 365 brand (Whole Foods brand) tuna from Whole Foods for 99 cents a can, no soy. Ingredients are tuna and spring water.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2006, 07:33:26 PM » by milmuth

I have a soy question. I knew about the estrogen problems for women. What about men/boys? I am breastfeeding my 6 month old but was told I had low milk supply- he just wasnt' gaining weight. I finally gave in and supplemented with formula (I still cringe at doing this!)starting at 10wks or so. After three days we realized that he was allergic to it, changed to soy formula and he started gaining weight at a slow but ok rate. I still breastfed/ am still, but he gets both. I cut all dairy out of my diet so I could. Funny that the only syptom he had of this allergy was no/poor weight gain, that is, until we introduced the formula. At 5 1/2 months he started solids- wouldn't wait any longer, i tried Sad

, so now he gets breastmilk, formula, and solids. The formula is about 8oz/day but I am desperately trying to get him off it (we are a third of the way there!). I'm really concerned about the soy, but my doc said not a problem b/c he won't be on it long enough to be a problem. I would stop cold turkey but not sure that is the right answer.

Since he is allergic to milk, and I don't want him on soy milk even after weaning, what can I give him instead? He needs calcium, and no salad till he can chew it Sad

I am hoping he'll jump in the solids faster so I can wean him from the formula sooner, but what then?

Also, I make everything from scratch that I can, including his baby food. So soy in our diet is very little. I drink soy milk from time to time. Is it totally bad, or "moderation/small amounts" ok?

Thanks for any wisdom ya'll have to share.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 07:51:14 PM » by kamom

Could you put him on raw goats milk? It's a great substitute for mom's milk. We did this with our first born after he "weaned" himself at 3 months. He would not nurse Cry

Now that I know just how strong a will he has I should have held out, but I couldn't make myself. What I would do is get it fresh from a goat farm and then dilute it to 3/4 milk to 1/4 water per quart. I also added about 1 tsp mollasses, for extra nutrition etc., per quart and froze it. That way I could always have it available without it going bad.
We saw a Dr at about 9 months and he asked what the baby was getting, Grin

So I told him Wink

" Well," he concluded, " He seems to be doing well."
By the way DS was very gassy,even when I had dairy when I was still nursing. But the goats milk was perfectly fine, no problems.
On the lighter side, when he was about four I caught him telling friends that he used to nurse from a goat when he was a baby Shocked

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 11:21:28 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: milmuth on September 28, 2006, 07:33:26 PM

Also, I make everything from scratch that I can, including his baby food. So soy in our diet is very little. I drink soy milk from time to time. Is it totally bad, or "moderation/small amounts" ok?

Thanks for any wisdom ya'll have to share.

From Soy Alert

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In animals, studies indicate that phytoestrogens in soy
are powerful endocrine disrupters. Soy infant feeding—
which floods the bloodstream with female hormones
that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a pos-
sible cause of disrupted development patterns in boys,
including learning disabilities and attention deficit dis-
order. Male children exposed to DES, a synthetic estro-
gen, had testes smaller than normal on maturation and
infant marmoset monkeys fed soy isoflavones had a
reduction in testosterone levels up to 70 percent com-
pared to milk-fed controls.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2006, 12:27:15 AM » by AgainstTheGrain

Quote from: kamom on September 28, 2006, 07:51:14 PM

Could you put him on raw goats milk? It's a great substitute for mom's milk.

All 9 of my grandmother's children (including my mom) were raised on goats milk

'cause grandma didn't produce a drop of breastmilk Undecided

!! Glad I didn't get those genes!!

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2006, 12:48:39 AM » by milmuth

I wish I could, but I don't think there are any goats where we live, and ~~it definitely isn't in the stores~~ Sad

see post below.

Thanks for the idea though.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 01:02:05 AM » by milmuth

Quote from: kamom on September 28, 2006, 07:51:14 PM

On the lighter side, when he was about four I caught him telling friends that he used to nurse from a goat when he was a baby Shocked

Thanks for the humor, I needed that! LOL Grin

Thanks for the recipe/info too. I'm hoping just to cut it out totally since he is on solids some already, and fill in with foods instead. We just moved to Hawaii, I have asked around but no one knows of goats here. Sad

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 07:37:11 AM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: mishy on September 27, 2006, 11:51:19 PM

We have eliminated crackers from our diet- it was because of the $$ and then it was because the partially hydrogenated....
Homemade healthy cookies or bread makes a good substitute for the crackers.

i LOVE these crackers!! and they are even not horribly expensive like most health foods. $1.99 a box here. as far as i can tell they are good for ya! Grin

they are so yummy my kids would eat lots of them, but we don't eat too many because 5 kids could to through a box a day! Tongue

http://www.kashi.com/ourfood/TLCSnacks/Crackers/Default.aspx

Ingredients:
Unbleached Wheat Flour, Kashi® Seven Whole Grains and Sesame™ Flour (Whole: Oats, Hard Red Winter Wheat, Rye, Long Grain Brown Rice, Triticale, Barley, Buckwheat, Sesame Seeds), Evaporated Cane Juice, Toasted Whole Wheat, Expeller Pressed Sunflower and/or Canola Oil, Rye, Toasted Sesame Seeds, Wheat Bran, Whey, Honey, Natural Leavenings (Potassium Bicarbonate, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Barley, Whole Oats, Stone Ground Whole Wheat, Malt Extract, Sea Salt, Yellow Cornmeal, Millet, Onion Powder, Horseradish Powder, Rice Flour, Mixed Tocopherols (Natural Vitamin E).

Allergen Statement: CONTAINS WHEAT AND MILK INGREDIENTS.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2006, 04:45:26 PM » by mishy

Quote from: fivewittletids on September 29, 2006, 07:37:11 AM

i LOVE these crackers!! and they are even not horribly expensive like most health foods. $1.99 a box here. as far as i can tell they are good for ya! Grin

they are so yummy my kids would eat lots of them, but we don't eat too many because 5 kids could to through a box a day! Tongue

http://www.kashi.com/ourfood/TLCSnacks/Crackers/Default.aspx

Wow! That is a good price. Here at the health food store they are between $4 & $6 PER cracker. ha ha.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2006, 05:55:33 PM » by annafogg1

Quote from: milmuth on September 29, 2006, 12:48:39 AM

I wish I could, but I don't think there are any goats where we live, and it definitely isn't in the stores Sad

Thanks for the idea though.

The Food Lion Grocery stores around us sell goat's milk in cans right next to the powdered and canned evaporated milk. It is pasteurized and homogenized, but in comparison to giving him soy, it's great. It's in a blue and white can.

When my oldest was a babe, I made almond milk when I had to substitute for my milk. I blanched fresh, raw whole almonds. That means dropping them in boiling water for just a minute, then scooping them out. At that point, they can be popped out of their skins. Discard the skins. I blended them in the blender, adding a bit of distilled water and then I 'sqoze' all of that through cheesecloth, saving the rendered 'milk', and chucking the almond pulp. Probably if you had farm animals, it's a worthy thing to save for feed. Then I added in liquid lecithin along with liquid baby vitamins. All I can say is that baby Jade loved it, Wink

and I will help my girls when they are mothers to make this to supplement their milk supply if needed.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2006, 05:58:17 PM » by milmuth

Goats milk update here,
I was wondering how much raw goats milk costs ya'll.

I just found some ultra-pasturized organic goats milk at the health food store. $5.09/quart!!! Huh

I don't think I can get raw here, but I'll keep asking. I just thought that price was crazy! Shocked

ok, thanks for listening to me vent. I'm done now

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2006, 11:47:15 PM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on September 27, 2006, 11:23:45 PM

I have so many questions Huh

Where to start?

If it says Soy Protein - so many do! - that's BAD, right? What about Soy Lecithin?
Since most processed foods have some amt. of soy - tell me what you eat for lunch? How do you replace things like crackers? Anyone have a recipe? I grind my own grain to make bread so I could make my own but where do you start?

Help me move another step in the right direction . . . . Wink

hi Vanessa! i am with you. i am feeling rather lost, since i purposefully didn't buy any mac and cheese, chicken patties, etc. that i fall back on in a hurry. the TLC (tasty little crackers) by Kashi don't have any soy and are made with 7 grains and i feel are very good for you for a cracker. they are about $2 a box. i can get them at HyVee or Walmart. hope we find some answers for lunch! we have recently come up with a couple good ideas, that are sort of the least of the evils, i guess. today we did refried beans smeared over tort. chips, with cheese over the top. i baked them for a while, then we decorated our own with veggies, olives, etc. we also do bean burritos about every week. we do chicken salad from meat i cook off the bones in the CP. we also love peanut butter and banana sand. on homemade bread. it is kinda rare, cuz we do it when the bananas are ripe and bread is just made. Roll Eyes

hope these help you. my kids turned up their noses at the beans at first, but now they like them. i also think i am going to start making and freezing (maybe?) large pots of soup, to have warmed up for school day lunches. easy and no clean up.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2006, 12:05:30 AM » by AgainstTheGrain

Quote from: milmuth on September 29, 2006, 05:58:17 PM

Goats milk update here,
I was wondering how much raw goats milk costs ya'll.

I just found some ultra-pasturized organic goats milk at the health food store. $5.09/quart!!! Huh

I don't think I can get raw here, but I'll keep asking. I just thought that price was crazy! Shocked

I got a gallon and a half of raw goats milk earlier this week, and while they can't "charge" for their milk (they take donations Wink

) it was $6/gallon and $3/half gallon. BUT we're in small town Iowa so that may make the difference!

Thanks for the lunch ideas fivewittletids . . . part of my challenge is I have 2 allergic to peanut butter, 1 that LOVES refried beans, 1 that isn't suppose to have wheat . . . . confusing Shocked

Now that it's cooler I've been thinking about the soup idea too!! Shall we visti SoupRecipe.com?!?

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2006, 01:02:17 PM » by 4myhoonie

Quote from: AgainstTheGrain on September 30, 2006, 12:05:30 AM

I got a gallon and a half of raw goats milk earlier this week, and while they can't "charge" for their milk (they take donations Wink

Now that it's cooler I've been thinking about the soup idea too!! Shall we visti SoupRecipe.com?!?

yikes! you must be confused! it's easier not to deal with food alleriges, you can just say like i do "this is what we're having".

souprecipe.com sounds great! feel free to start a soup thread if you find really good ones. Wink

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2006, 03:43:19 PM » by Isaacsmama

Quote from: Nickole on September 26, 2006, 07:32:20 PM

Tempeh, Miso, those kinds of things are fermented.

Is tempeh always fermented? I have a lot of great tempeh recipes but my husband is worried that maybe someone makes it where it isnt fermented. We were wondering because the package at the store didnt say onything on it about being fermented. thanks for the help.

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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2006, 03:52:28 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: Isaacsmama on October 02, 2006, 03:43:19 PM

Quote from: Nickole on September 26, 2006, 07:32:20 PM

Tempeh, Miso, those kinds of things are fermented.

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Tempeh is a fermented food made from soybeans, origin and most popular in Indonesia espesialy in java island, where it is a staple, and other parts of Southeast Asia. Like tofu, tempeh is made from soybeans, but tempeh is a whole soybean product with different nutritional characteristics and eating qualities, as tempeh's fermentation process and its retention of the whole bean give it a higher content of dietary fiber and vitamins, as well as firmer texture and stronger flavor. Tempeh is used worldwide in vegetarian cuisine; some consider it to be a meat analogue...

Production

Tempeh begins with whole soybeans, which are softened by soaking and dehulled, then partly cooked. Specialty tempehs may be made from other types of beans, wheat, or may include a mixture of beans and whole grains.

A mild acidulent, usually vinegar, may be added and a culture containing the spores of fungus Rhizopus oligosporus is then mixed in. The beans are spread into a thin layer and are allowed to ferment for approximately 24 hours at a temperature around 30°C (86°F). In good tempeh, the beans are knit together by a mat of white mycelia.

Under conditions of lower temperature, or higher ventilation, gray or black patches of spores may form on the surface -- this is not harmful, and should not affect the flavor or quality of the tempeh. This sporulation is normal on fully mature tempeh. A mild ammonia smell may accompany good tempeh as it ferments, but it should not be overpowering. In Indonesia, ripe tempeh (two or more days old) is considered a delicacy.

Nutrition

The soy protein in tempeh becomes more digestible as a result of the fermentation process. In particular, the oligosaccharides that are associated with gas and indigestion are greatly reduced by the Rhizopus culture. In traditional tempeh making shops, the starter culture often contains other beneficial bacteria that produce vitamins such as B12. In western countries, it is more common to use a pure culture containing only Rhizopus oligosporus.

Preparation

In the kitchen, tempeh is often prepared by cutting it into pieces, soaking in brine or salty sauce, and then frying. Cooked tempeh can be eaten alone, or used in chili, stir frys, soups, salads, sandwiches, and stews. Recent popular vegan cookbooks, such as Isa Chandra Moskowitz's "Vegan with a Vengeance", have come up with more creative ways of cooking tempeh, using it as a vegetarian substitution for breakast meats, such as sausage and bacon. Tempeh has a complex flavor that has been described as nutty, meaty, and mushroom-like. Tempeh freezes well, and is now available in many western countries in ethnic markets and health food stores...from

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2006, 03:55:18 PM » by Isaacsmama

thanks, you are a gold mine of information HB

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2006, 06:56:57 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: WVCountryRoads on October 02, 2006, 05:53:31 PM

I have a few products that I'm trying to use up before making a purchase from beeyoutiful.com, I noticed that Soy Lecithin is an ingredient in some of the supplements. Is this the bad soy? Is soy always bad (I have two sons), or is there an okay form to use? Undecided

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« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2006, 10:21:03 AM » by WVCountryRoads

Bumping my question

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« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2006, 10:30:43 AM » by WithLoveAndJoy

I don't know for sure what soy lethecin's effect is on the body, but I do know that the soy lecethin is used as an emusifyer (thickener). My understanding of the dangers of soy was the phytoestrogens (aka naturally occurring hormones such as estrogen) that could cause cancers/hormonal changes. As for lecithin, I don't imagine that it is the same.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2006, 10:51:59 AM » by sunshine4th

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html

I haven't read through the entire article but I thought this was informative.

Jessica

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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2006, 10:54:17 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: healthybratt on October 02, 2006, 06:56:57 PM

Quote from: WVCountryRoads on October 02, 2006, 05:53:31 PM

The arguement for lecithin in this article is pretty weak, but it is mentioned.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03toxins.htm

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« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2006, 10:55:31 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: sunshine4th on October 03, 2006, 10:51:59 AM

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/lecithin.html

I haven't read through the entire article but I thought this was informative.

Jessica

GROSS.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2007, 09:01:55 AM » by murfette

I recently read 5 short articles written by Jim Rutz of World Net Daily about Soy. (Article number 6 comes out next week.) He did an awesome job of summarizing what is wrong with soy and gives lots of footnotes to back it all up. If you would like a quick summary of the dangers of soy please read these articles! I thought they were wonderful and eye opening!

http://www.wnd.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=255

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2007, 08:35:23 PM » by healthybratt

from The Weston A. Price Foundation

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Myths & Truths About Soy

Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.

Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy foods.

Truth: Average consumption of soy foods in Japan and China is 10 grams (about 2 teaspoons) per day. Asians consume soy foods in small amounts as a condiment, and not as a replacement for animal foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as traditionally fermented soy foods.

Truth: Most modern soy foods are not fermented to neutralize toxins in soybeans, and are processed in a way that denatures proteins and increases levels of carcinogens.

Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.

Truth: Like all legumes, soy beans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.

Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.

Truth: The compound that resembles vitamin B12 in soy cannot be used by the human body; in fact, soy foods cause the body to require more B12

Myth: Soy formula is safe for infants.

Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic disorders. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D, needed for strong bones and normal growth. Phytic acid in soy foods results in reduced bioavailabilty of iron and zinc which are required for the health and development of the brain and nervous system. Soy also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of the brain and nervous system. Megadoses of phytoestrogens in soy formula have been implicated in the current trend toward increasingly premature sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual development in boys.

Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.

Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian countries—not soy foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.

Truth: A British government report concluded that there is little evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of cancer.

Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.

Truth: In some people, consumption of soy foods will lower cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol improves one's risk of having heart disease.

Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for you.

Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.

Myth: Soy foods are safe and beneficial for women to use in their postmenopausal years.

Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with difficulties in menopause.

Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy foods can enhance mental ability.

Truth: A recent study found that women with the highest levels of estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function; In Japanese Americans tofu consumption in mid-life is associated with the occurrence of Alzheimer's disease in later life.

Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein isolate have GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following an outpouring of protest from the scientific community. The FDA never approved GRAS status for soy protein isolate because of concern regarding the presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.

Myth: Soy foods are good for your sex life.

Truth: Numerous animal studies show that soy foods cause infertility in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men, indicating lowered testosterone levels. Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility.

Myth: Soy beans are good for the environment.

Truth: Most soy beans grown in the US are genetically engineered to allow farmers to use large amounts of herbicides.

Myth: Soy beans are good for developing nations.

Truth: In third world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population to multinational corporations.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2007, 10:45:52 PM » by its_me518

Hi... It's been a while since anyone has written on this thread, but I though I'd post and see if anyone answers...

I am very confused about this whole soy thing. I just don't get who to believe... some say how wonderful it is and others say how horrible it is.... Who do I believe? Shocked

I've had a hard time losing weight, and so I started looking into "diet systems". I fould one that sounds good, but I wanted to get your girls opinion on it 1st.... (I can't start it till after I give birth, so I have time to do the research Wink

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The diet is called "O So Slender" and they have a meal replacement "Soy Protien" shake..... here are the ingredients:

Ingredients
Vitamin A (as beta carotene), Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid), Thiamin (as Thiamine Mononitrate), Riboflavin, Niacin (as Niacinamide), Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin), Biotin (as d-biotin), Pantothenic Acid (as d-Calcium Pantothenate), Chromium (as Chromium Nicotinate), Creatine Monohydrate, Yerba Mate Leaf Powder, Lycopene

OTHER INGREDIENTS: Soy Protein Isolate, Fructose, Natural & Artificial Flavor, Dutch Cocoa, Rice Syrup Solids, Xanthan Gum, Cellulose Gum, Sucralose.

Just one serving provides 18 grams of heart healthy soy protein (42 mg of Isoflavones), with only 160 calories or less and 1 gram of fat. Plus, it's low glycemic.

Ephedra-free
Boosts metabolism
Increases mental and physical energy
Effective appetite suppressant
Low glycemic
18 grams of Soy Protein per serving

Now, as I said, I don't understand the soy issue... what do you all think about this shake? What about taking it while breastfeeding?

Any ideas would be appreciated!!

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2007, 01:37:24 AM » by BJ_BOBBI_JO

Quote from: milmuth on September 28, 2006, 07:33:26 PM

Since he is allergic to milk, and I don't want him on soy milk even after weaning, what can I give him instead? He needs calcium, and no salad till he can chew it Sad

Both of my babies had the same troubles. They are ages 3 and 6 and still can not drink cow milk.

I nursed them until they didnt want it anymore which was ages 7 and 10 months.
After that I could not give them cow milk formula because of their bad reactions to it. My husabnd and I also do not handle cow milk well. So I gave the kids soy formula then later on soy milk until they were old enough to eat those chewable calcium pills.

I looked into the goats milk but it was way to expensive from what I found.

Now they dont consume either soy or cow milk. Cow milk ( dairy of all kinds) not only causes diagestive troubles but can worsen other areas in our body like our ears, sinuses and more. For example for me it causes to much itchy ear wax and increases the need to have to blow my nose all the time.

Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do until ya can do something else.

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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2007, 12:04:32 PM » by healthybratt

Quote from: its_me518 on February 11, 2007, 10:45:52 PM

Now, as I said, I don't understand the soy issue... what do you all think about this shake? What about taking it while breastfeeding?

Any ideas would be appreciated!!

Even those who tell you that soy won't hurt you, will concede that it mimics estrogen in the body. Having such a lopsided source of one hormone can cause severe upset in the body. I would suggest you read the thread on estrogen dominance. This is where soy really causes problems.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3764.0.html

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2007, 08:36:52 AM » by makingchanges

On the forum, I keep reading here and there to be sure you don't eat soy. What is the soy connection? Is Bragg's liquid amino's soy and if so what do I use instead? I use it often. If I am not suppose to eat soy I like to understand why? So please help!

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2007, 08:43:29 AM » by 4myhoonie

at the beginning of this thread Gabe explains why:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,709.0.html

at NGJ there is an article related:

http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=83&tx_ttnews[swords]=soy&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=111&tx_ttnews[backPid]=118&cHash=a28e1a585b

HTH

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