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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2007, 09:32:23 AM » by healthybratt

Braggs is not fermented.

Soy Sauce

Soy mimics estrogen in the body.

Estrogen dominance & Other Hormone Imbalances

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2007, 07:47:30 PM » by Becky in WV

Also at westonaprice.org there is information on why you should avoid soy.

I attended a seminar by Jeffrey Smith (he's written a book called Seeds of Deception--talks about genetically modified foods) and soy is one of the most common foods that is genetically modified (along with corn).

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2007, 09:30:49 AM » by KristenA

Science is catching up with us WTMers!!! Cheesy

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2007, 02:46:00 PM » by chiquis

ok, i am posting this question at the risk to look dumb and ignorat myself, but here it goes. Does soy sauce fits in this category? i just eat some yesterday with wienies, chopped chilies, onions and lemon juice (delicious by the way

) , and i am feeling pretty guilty now, and also, if soy is suppose to reduce the sperm count, could this be used as a natural contraceptive for men? i Know it is a pretty dumb question,but i needed to get this off my head.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2007, 07:25:17 PM » by Mrs. B

I think that soy sauce does fit into the soy category, but as far as natural contraception... I think the billion chinese might argue against it.
All thru the 1990's all you heard was eat soy, and my family did to be healthy. We were all a bunch of vegans and it was what worked for us at the time. As knowledge has grown, our lifestyle has changed and we don't seek out soy like we used to. I use soy based products very rarely, but we do still use them at times. For us this is a practical decision. Processed foods are also bad for you, but on occasion, we do eat them. We prefer not, but I would like to think that a healthy attitude and not getting stressed about what we eat is more important than being stressed and eating a "perfect" diet.
Chiquis.. Your question is not "dumb;" feel no guilt.. Food should be enjoyed. If you occasionally eat something not so healthy enjoy it and do better with your next meals.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2007, 08:39:21 PM » by MamaSong

Quote from: chiquis on October 18, 2007, 02:46:00 PM

Here's a link to the thread on soy sauce. It's not the same as eating soy products. However, not all soy sauces are the same. You'll want to get a fermented kind like Kikkoman's. I'll let you read the rest for yourself...

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,462.0.html

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2008, 11:02:14 AM » by miff aka Missi

Quote from: healthybratt on September 27, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

... every processed food in America contains soy ...

EVERY?? ALL?? Sad

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2008, 12:06:04 AM » by miff aka Missi

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 12, 2008, 11:02:14 AM

Quote from: healthybratt on September 27, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

... every processed food in America contains soy ...

EVERY?? ALL?? Sad

I think I am going to puke!! Lips Sealed

I just looked at MANY things in my kitchen... I CANNOT believe how many ingredient lists have SOY. I am appalled!! What on earth??? No wonder I have hormone problems!! I bet I have way less junk in my shopping cart next time I go to the store. AND I may just have a burning party here in the backyard. I may not sleep until I burn all this stuff!! gag choke cough barf faint

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2008, 09:08:24 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 12, 2008, 11:02:14 AM

Quote from: healthybratt on September 27, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

... every processed food in America contains soy ...

EVERY?? ALL?? Sad

Sorry, I didn't mean to make such a blanket statement. I was exaggerating, as in "it seems as tho everything has soy in it".

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2008, 09:08:57 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 13, 2008, 12:06:04 AM

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 12, 2008, 11:02:14 AM

Quote from: healthybratt on September 27, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

... every processed food in America contains soy ...

EVERY?? ALL?? Sad

I think I am going to puke!! Lips Sealed

This was kind of my point. Again I'm sorry for not clarifying better.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2008, 09:17:26 AM » by miff aka Missi

Quote from: healthybratt on March 13, 2008, 09:08:57 AM

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 13, 2008, 12:06:04 AM

Quote from: miff aka Missi on March 12, 2008, 11:02:14 AM

Quote from: healthybratt on September 27, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

... every processed food in America contains soy ...

EVERY?? ALL?? Sad

I think I am going to puke!! Lips Sealed

This was kind of my point. Again I'm sorry for not clarifying better.

When I read that first statement I thought, "Seriously?" THEN I looked and just about died!! That's why we need WTM. Without it, I wouldn't know a fraction of what I know now. (I still have MUCH to learn.) We eat better than we use to, but we still seem so far away... KWIM? How did we ever survive before... eating the junk we did? Shocked

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2008, 03:09:58 PM » by FindingMe

I've finally found a brand of vitamins that I have been REALLY pleased with, a line of products put out by New Chapter. Their prenatal vitamins in particular have been just what I've been looking for... or so I thought. Now, with all of the soy debate raging, I just don't know WHAT to think. They have fermented soy in them, (my prenatal vitamins list 600 mg of cultured organic milled soy in a daily dose) and soy lecithin (12 mg in a daily dose).

I don't know what to think. I've loved these vitamins because (1.) they seem to really work, and (2.) they come from only organic food sources. But if soy is so bad, then clearly this is not something I want to be ingesting every single day. I've done some reading on the Weston A. Price website, and from what I've read there, they seem very anti-soy. I've read through this thread, and yet I'm still confused. So I emailed the New Chapter company, and asked them what their stance was on soy, and what soy lecithin was, and how it was derived. This was their reply:

Thank you for your interest in New Chapter. New Chapter's Probiotic Nutrients delivers non-GMO organic soy in its cultured whole-food form, similar to miso, tempeh and natto. These traditional soy foods have been consumed for thousands of years and are associated with the health and longevity of traditional Asian cultures. Numerous health benefits have been attributed to the regular consumption of fermented soy including bone health, cardiovascular health, and normalization of cholesterol levels, hormone balancing, anti-oxidant, and reduction of allergenic reactivity. The modern and limited use of unfermented soy or soy protein isolates is another story. As some researchers have pointed out, indeed, consuming soy or any of its isolated parts outside the context of fermented whole food may have the potential to create undesirable effects in the body.

The culturing of soy with probiotic organisms inactivates anti-nutrient and anti-growth factors including phytates, trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin. Culturing also eliminates soy allergens and improves the bioavailability of the isoflavones genistein and daidzein. A study published in 2000 in the scientific journal Carcinogenesis reported that the chemo-preventative activity of fermented soy milk was at least partly attributable to the fermentation-created isoflavones genistein and daidzein, so that is the form of soy that should be consumed for maximum chemo-preventative benefit. Furthermore, soy is traditionally consumed with sea vegetables, which provide a rich organic source of iodine and appears to naturally balance any possible goitrogenic or thyroid-inhibiting effects. For this same reason, you will see organic probiotic iodine in New Chapter’s Probiotic Nutrients.

For more information on the researched healing benefits of soy, you may wish to read "The Book of Miso" by W. Shurtleff and “The Lifebridge” by Sarnat, Schulick and Newmark.

Soy lecithin is purified from the de-gumming process during the manufacture of soybean oil. It is not a “waste” product as soy lecithin is a highly functional food ingredient used extensively through out the entire food system. It is probably the most common generally recognized as safe (GRAS) emulsifier, as it is not synthetic. It is an excellent source of phosphatidylcholine.

Lecithin is a major component of cellular membranes, and the health of a cell is directly related to the health of its membranes and those that surround it. After all, it is through effective cell membrane function that cells communicate with one another. Lecithin is contained in substantial quantities in eggs and soy and is a readily available by-product of soy oil manufacturing. Lecithin contains phospholipids like pysphatidlycholine, phosphatidylethanolamine and phosphatidylinositol - which also help support liver detox. It is also a precursor to acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter in the brain. As a supplement, lecithin and individual phospholipids are mainly used for hepatitis, to lower cholesterol levels and support cognitive function.

We hope this information is helpful.

I can't say I'm any less confused now. While I still like their company and appreciate their prompt response, I guess I'm just not smart enough to make sense of it. Pysphatidlycholine, phosphatidylethanolamine and phosphatidylinositol? I'm overwhelmed. I don't mind doing research, but seriously, this brain can only process so much.

I feel a big responsibility to get it figured out, as obviously, there is my unborn child to be concerned about, and my husband has been taking their Every Man's formula, too (24 mg of soy lecithin in a daily dose). I really thought I was investing in a good product for our family, but now I wonder if we're doing more harm than good, long term.

Is it possible that soy lecithin can actually be good for you, if it is produced properly and comes from a non-GMO, organic source? Or is all soy lecithin just plain bad?

Any ideas?

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2008, 03:40:58 PM » by healthybratt

You said the soy in your vits is fermented. The title of the thread said "pluses of fermented soy". That's the difference. Most products that contain soy, contain it unfermented and in this state is where the concentration of phytates (phytoestrogens) comes from. Fermentation is supposed to change the condition of the soy so as not to mimic estrogen in the body.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2008, 08:19:19 PM » by FindingMe

Thanks, HB. I guess my remaining question is this: Is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin? (Is it fermented?) Or is it all bad?

Feeling a little better about my vitamins...

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2008, 09:10:03 AM » by CountyCork

This is an embarassing question, and maybe TMI, so just don't picture me in my avatar, ok?******************************

Anyone have problems with GAS from soy - soy like edamame? We had it in a salad yesterday and that's the only thing that makes me say "WOW" as an obvious culprit. I also know that when we eat "energy bars" that have soy in them, we end up with gas.

Is it that indigestible?

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2008, 09:19:07 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: CountyCork on May 27, 2008, 09:10:03 AM

Soy are beans and unsprouted and unfermented beans are partially indigestible. I don't know the stuff you're eating, but my guess is the beans still contained their phytates when they were processed for the foods.

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« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2008, 09:57:50 AM » by CountyCork

That's what I figured, like any other bean. These were the frozen, green "edamame" and it was part of a delicious salad. Should have skipped that ingredient. Made for profuse and stinky gas for those of us who ate the salad!

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #77 on: June 04, 2008, 07:26:05 AM » by momofkings

Quote from: FindingMe on May 09, 2008, 08:19:19 PM

Thanks, HB. I guess my remaining question is this: Is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin? (Is it fermented?) Or is it all bad?

Feeling a little better about my vitamins...

I have this same question about soy lecithin....is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin? I embarked on a mission to find some non soy lecithin and haven't had success. I know egg yolks contain it. I am actually interested in using it in baking our bread--I used to use lecithin but then stopped when I found out it was from soy years ago. I'm wondering if I just shouldn't start adding eggs instead....but still have the question of "good" lecithin, fermented lecithin?

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #78 on: June 04, 2008, 09:06:27 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: momofkings on June 04, 2008, 07:26:05 AM

Quote from: FindingMe on May 09, 2008, 08:19:19 PM

Thanks, HB. I guess my remaining question is this: Is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin? (Is it fermented?) Or is it all bad?

Feeling a little better about my vitamins...

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,709.msg24282.html#msg24282

Always try reading through the thread before posting a question. You might be surprised at how many questions have already been answered.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #79 on: June 04, 2008, 06:00:06 PM » by momofkings

Quote from: healthybratt on June 04, 2008, 09:06:27 AM

Quote from: momofkings on June 04, 2008, 07:26:05 AM

Quote from: FindingMe on May 09, 2008, 08:19:19 PM

Thanks, HB. I guess my remaining question is this: Is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin? (Is it fermented?) Or is it all bad?

Feeling a little better about my vitamins...

Actually, I did read through the thread but didn't see my question addressed about a NON soy lecithin. Then I saw someone else ask if there was such a thing as a "good" soy lecithin, and I hadn't seen that answered either, so thought maybe I was missing something. (I am not looking at it for a supplement but as an addition to bread from freshly milled grains--it is called for in a lot of recipes I see). I'm thinking it may be best just to add some egg yolks, however I don't want to get off topic any more as I know this thread isn't about bread baking.....but this thread came up when I did the search for lecithin.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2008, 09:24:12 AM » by lovetoreadmom

I didn't see anything on this sight that talked about whether or not fermented soy is okay for women beginning, going through, or after menopause. Maybe I missed it, or is there another thread that talks about this more specifically. My mom was asking me about it b/c she found a supplement of black cohosh that is said to be good for menopausal women, but she was concerned about it b/c it contains soy.

Can someone point me in the right direction, please? I tried doing a search, but nothing I could find really came up to tell me what I'm looking for here.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2008, 10:55:16 AM » by healthybratt

Quote from: momofkings on June 04, 2008, 06:00:06 PM

is there such a thing as GOOD soy lecithin?

Apparently, I misunderstood your question. Undecided

I would recommend you start a new thread in the grains folder "Alternatives to Soy Lecithin for Bread Baking".

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« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2008, 09:37:40 AM » by lovetoreadmom

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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2008, 09:23:24 AM » by lovetoreadmom

Can someone please see my question and point me in the right direction? Thank you!!

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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2008, 10:04:05 AM » by Kati*did

Quote from: lovetoreadmom on June 05, 2008, 09:24:12 AM

I didn't see anything on this sight that talked about whether or not fermented soy is okay for women beginning, going through, or after menopause.

I found this on a website that has lots of studies regarding soy and lots of other info:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/04menopause.htm

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Hot flushes and other menopausal symptoms in relation to soy product intake in Japanese women.

Climacteric 1999 Mar;2(1):6-12

Nagata C, Shimizu H, Takami R, Hayashi M, Takeda N, Yasuda K.

Department of Public Health, Gifu University School of Medicine, 40 Tsukasa-machi, Gifu 500-8705, Japan.

OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationships between dietary intake of soy products and hot flushes and other menopausal symptoms. METHODS: Subjects were 284 women aged 40-59 years who attended a health check-up program provided by a general hospital in Gifu, Japan. They completed a health questionnaire including the Kupperman test of menopausal distress. Diet was assessed by a semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire. RESULTS: Fermented soy product intake but not total soy product intake was significantly negatively correlated with hot flush severity (r = -0.16, p = 0.01) after controlling for age and menopausal status. Neither total soy product intake nor fermented soy product intake was significantly correlated with menopausal index score. Estimated isoflavone intake from total and fermented soy products was significantly lower by 15% (p = 0.02) and 19% (p = 0.01), respectively, in women with hot flushes, compared to those without hot flushes after controlling for covariates. CONCLUSION: The data support a hypothesis that intake of fermented soy products alleviates the severity of hot flushes.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2008, 05:03:21 PM » by *MommaJo*

I was so excited when I went down the road and scooped up about 50 pounds of soybeans that missed the truck today. My dad and husband are helping harvest.
I wanted to do the roasted soybean (soynut) thing. These beans are right from the field. Are they as dangerous as storebought?

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2008, 05:28:06 PM » by hi_itsgwen

I think the 'problem' with soy is two fold: it is commonly genetically engineered for one...and the other problem comes from using it in large amounts without fermenting it.

Soybeans and soy derived products mimic estrogen in the body if they're not fermented. This could be a problem if you are eating a lot of soy...it's in almost everything now, so count in other foods that you consume as well for your total intake. There are also several phyto (natural, plant derived) estrogens as well that we can easily get on a daily basis...like coffee.

So you'll want to look into this and make sure you're using your find in a healthy way.

I'm not sure if 'fermenting' is the same as soaking/sprouting.

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2008, 05:47:06 PM » by *MommaJo*

thanks gwen. off to research 'ferment/soybeans'. Cheesy

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2008, 08:57:51 PM » by HappyWifey

Does anyone know how to ferment edamanes (soy beans) in a way that they don't lose their texture or change the taste? My DH and I LOVE edemanes, but now we have stopped eating them because they are soybeans. We loved to eat the frozen ones just thawed in a bowl of warm water.... So good!

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Re: Soy [ Soybeans ]: Health Risks and/or Benefits
« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2009, 08:56:32 PM » by HappyWifey

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