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  Lactose intolerance
« on: June 09, 2006, 10:41:15 PM » by 3boysmyjoys
My boys and I are lactose-intolerant.  Do you think that we would be able to handle organic dairy products?  Just a thought.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2006, 10:20:57 AM » by healthybratt

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Quote from: 3boysmyjoys on June 09, 2006, 10:41:15 PM
My boys and I are lactose-intolerant.  Do you think that we would be able to handle organic dairy products?  Just a thought.

Are you sure you're not allergic to casein (the protein found in milk)?  The reason I ask is because with the right diet, you might be able to reverse the allergy.  Allergies to casein are largely associated with candida and LGS.  I'm not sure but lactose intolerance may be as well.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2006, 02:22:33 PM » by dara
Ummm, HB, the lactose intolerance is just that- an intolerance for lasctose- milk sugar, not lactic acid. Lactose intolerant people often can  have yogurt, because the bacteria feeds on the lactose, greatly reducing it. And good question on the actual intolerance- the symptoms of lactose vs casien allergy are often different.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 05:41:16 PM » by healthybratt

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Quote from: dara on June 10, 2006, 02:22:33 PM
Ummm, HB, the lactose intolerance is just that- an intolerance for lasctose- milk sugar, not lactic acid. Lactose intolerant people often can  have yogurt, because the bacteria feeds on the lactose, greatly reducing it. And good question on the actual intolerance- the symptoms of lactose vs casien allergy are often different.

I stand corrected. Grin  (having a brain fart)  I wonder if I need to treat for this too Huh
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 10:42:02 AM » by his.silly.wife
My dh has developed lactose intolerance (self diagnoses).  I suspect that it may be from eating habits that have led to bad gut ecology, or even LGS.  What would you recommend for him to do to undo the damage?  I'm looking into a yeast-assassin program for him.

Would taking a probiotic help him digest milk products?

Has anybody here conquered lactose intolerance?
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 03:58:10 PM » by his.silly.wife
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 04:42:38 PM » by 4myhoonie
Quote from: ps100vs5 on January 02, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
My dh has developed lactose intolerance (self diagnoses).  I suspect that it may be from eating habits that have led to bad gut ecology, or even LGS.  What would you recommend for him to do to undo the damage?  I'm looking into a yeast-assassin program for him.

Would taking a probiotic help him digest milk products?

Has anybody here conquered lactose intolerance?

i guess you could say my kids have lactose intolerence.  they get gas with certain foods, and have a real loose stool after eating certain things. (dairy)  i am doing a full course of primal defense myself, as mine had worsened to be more like LGS than lactose intolerence (after about 15 years).  i am going to begin treating them as soon as i don't have to take so much of it.  right now i am taking 7 pills per day, working up to 12 for 90 days.  i hope it is filling all the holes in my gut, it seems to be working well as my symptoms are gone.  i am having to go slow for detox reasons.  if i go up too soon, i don't feel well.  i was severly allergic to dairy, beef, eggs, bananas, & mushrooms.  i have done accupuncture for a year while on a real low dose of primal defense powder (scoop is very small) which is much more highly absorbed than the pills in my experience.  it has really helped me to be able to eat anything i want now, and not worry about going to social events, etc.  i used to have to take my food along.   Tongue  beeyoutiful's ultimate defense (tummy tune up 12) is similar to primal defense and should help him to digest dairy while fixing his digestion.  HTH. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 08:07:09 PM » by healthybratt

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Quote from: ps100vs5 on January 02, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
My dh has developed lactose intolerance (self diagnoses).  I suspect that it may be from eating habits that have led to bad gut ecology, or even LGS.  What would you recommend for him to do to undo the damage?  I'm looking into a yeast-assassin program for him.

Would taking a probiotic help him digest milk products?

Has anybody here conquered lactose intolerance?

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2007, 09:14:37 AM » by athomemama
I am the mother of 8 month old twin girls.  I nursed them for 5 months and then unfortunately switched to formula.  I had suspected that one of my daughters had a milk allergy so my pediatrician said to switch to soy.  Then I started reading about soy - very high estrogen levels.  I did not know what to do.  I talked with my chiropractor and he said to give them rice milk.  So I have been giving them rice milk along with the rest of their diet - baby food, cod liver oil, and yogurt.  Now I am reading that rice milk is not recommended for infants and can be dangerous.  Does anyone have any info or alternative suggestions?
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2007, 09:47:04 AM » by healthybratt

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Quote from: athomemama on January 08, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
I am the mother of 8 month old twin girls.  I nursed them for 5 months and then unfortunately switched to formula.  I had suspected that one of my daughters had a milk allergy so my pediatrician said to switch to soy.  Then I started reading about soy - very high estrogen levels.  I did not know what to do.  I talked with my chiropractor and he said to give them rice milk.  So I have been giving them rice milk along with the rest of their diet - baby food, cod liver oil, and yogurt.  Now I am reading that rice milk is not recommended for infants and can be dangerous.  Does anyone have any info or alternative suggestions?

I don't know anything about rice milk or why it would be bad for infants.  I've been feeding my kids white rice since they were old enough to have food.  I hope I didn't do something bad. 

Here's a link for you.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2007, 10:14:53 AM » by thatgirl
About the lactose intolerance... I had that for quite a while and would feel the effects after eating ice cream, heavy cream and milk. Well this past year I found a source of unhomogenized milk and can drink it all I want without any problems. I know that homogenization of milk and I believe (but don't quote me on this one) that any ultra-pasteurized product (cream) could do the same thing. I would seek out unhomogenized milk and see where that takes you.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2007, 11:24:32 AM » by athomemama
Thank you for the link. I read all the posts and they were helpful.  I have been to Dr. Mercola's site and read up on formula fortification.  He says to fortify the Nutrimigen and I have done so but my girls will not drink the formula.  It has a different odor.  Regarding the rice milk - there were warnings for those replacing formula with rice milk.  Claims of Rickets and malnutrition.  I know in the end I am responsible for the nutrition of my girls.  I guess I am just a nervous first time mom. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2007, 11:29:55 AM » by KatieMac
Rice Milk isn't dangerous as a beverage, but it's NOT meant to be a replacement for an infant formula. It simply isn't nutritious enough on it's own. I don't know enough to know what might have to be added to make it an acceptable formula, that's something a mom who needed that option would have to research.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2007, 12:06:07 PM » by boysmama
It really is worth trying raw, unhomogenized milk if you suspect a lactose intolerance. My dh is fine w/ raw milk and low heat pastuerized, cultured dairy products but has problems w/ other dairy.
I am trying to remember all the details...I think raw milk has some lactase, the enzyme needed to digest lactose, and also, for sure, has good bacteria that aid the intestines in producing lactase. Pastuerization destroys both the enzymes and the good (and bad) bacteria. Aged raw milk and cultured dairy products have lower levels of lactose than fresh milk. Homogenization might create even more problems by allowing particles to penetrate the gut wall. Probiotics and only cultured dairy would be helpful in lactose intolerance
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2007, 12:59:23 PM » by healthybratt

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Grin  Just a note to healtybratt offering my many thanks for the advice about the kefir you gave me a few months ago.  I wrote to ask about my daughter's upset stomach because of naproxen sodium therapy.  You suggested kefir and although I didn't know it even existed at the time I jumped in with both feet, found the grains on ebay and found a source for raw goat milk and began making my own kefir.  Those first  weeks were certainly iffy.  Later I read in the Maker's diet that the first thirty days you wonder if you've made everything worse. I certainly thought our stomachs couldn't hurt anymore but the kefir proved me wrong.  We hung in though and soon all was healed.  In our house two people with dairy sensitivities have been healed, my daughter's upset stomach healed and my yeast allergy is healed.  I'm trying it out on a diabetic now.  We've had to slowly start each person in the house as my yield was small at first but now all six of us drink the kefir first thing in the morning (oh my, is it an aquired taste!!)  And feel free to eat of all God's food the rest of the day.  I can't thank you enough!!!  A few helpful things I've found are lemon extract or almond extract help to cover that strange wang.  Another person wrote about bananas and peanut butter added to make a shake.  Definitely the way to start!!!  Peanut butter helps cover a multitude.  I add it every morning regardless of what fruit I add.  I freeze the fruit and the extra cold helps as well.  Just wondering if anyone knows if the metal blender blades hurt the kefir or is that just with the actual grains?  I've also never noticed anything stringy, I wonder if this has to do with the type of milk used?  Thank you, thank you!!  Great help for many ailments.  If you choose any part of the Maker's Diet, this would be my suggestion.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2007, 02:32:29 PM » by 4myhoonie
Quote from: healthybratt on January 08, 2007, 12:59:23 PM
I copied this post from another thread.

Quote from: karimccommon on October 21, 2006, 10:09:19 AM
Grin  Just a note to healtybratt offering my many thanks for the advice about the kefir you gave me a few months ago.  I wrote to ask about my daughter's upset stomach because of naproxen sodium therapy.  You suggested kefir and although I didn't know it even existed at the time I jumped in with both feet, found the grains on ebay and found a source for raw goat milk and began making my own kefir.  Those first  weeks were certainly iffy.  Later I read in the Maker's diet that the first thirty days you wonder if you've made everything worse. I certainly thought our stomachs couldn't hurt anymore but the kefir proved me wrong.  We hung in though and soon all was healed.  In our house two people with dairy sensitivities have been healed, my daughter's upset stomach healed and my yeast allergy is healed.  I'm trying it out on a diabetic now.  We've had to slowly start each person in the house as my yield was small at first but now all six of us drink the kefir first thing in the morning (oh my, is it an aquired taste!!)  And feel free to eat of all God's food the rest of the day.  I can't thank you enough!!!  A few helpful things I've found are lemon extract or almond extract help to cover that strange wang.  Another person wrote about bananas and peanut butter added to make a shake.  Definitely the way to start!!!  Peanut butter helps cover a multitude.  I add it every morning regardless of what fruit I add.  I freeze the fruit and the extra cold helps as well.  Just wondering if anyone knows if the metal blender blades hurt the kefir or is that just with the actual grains?  I've also never noticed anything stringy, I wonder if this has to do with the type of milk used?  Thank you, thank you!!  Great help for many ailments.  If you choose any part of the Maker's Diet, this would be my suggestion.

wow!  thanks!  this is great info.  after my first use of kefir i didn't feel so well all day.  i'm not too thrilled about reliving all my yucky symptoms for a period of time, but guess i'm gonna have to give it a go.  thanks HB and karimccommon.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2007, 01:39:47 PM » by CrimsonRose
Quote from: athomemama on January 08, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
So I have been giving them rice milk along with the rest of their diet - baby food, cod liver oil, and yogurt.  Now I am reading that rice milk is not recommended for infants and can be dangerous.  Does anyone have any info or alternative suggestions?

Coconut milk! I listened teleseminars by Kaayla Daniels and Sally Fallon a couple of years ago and I think they both reccommended coconut milk as the safest and healthiest alternative to rice or soy milks. There would be more about the soy milk and healthful alternatives in The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla Daniels...I'm trying to interlibrary loan this, so if/after I read it, I'll be posting again. Never mind. Can't get it yet.

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2008, 03:42:24 PM » by blackbird
How do you tell the difference between lactose intolerance and being allergic to milk?  My dd tends to get an upset tummy after drinking a glass of milk lately.  She seems to do okay with other milk products and is always asking for milk to drink over other choices like juice or water.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2008, 12:59:33 PM » by BJ_BOBBI_JO

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How do you tell the difference between lactose intolerance and being allergic to milk?  My dd tends to get an upset tummy after drinking a glass of milk lately.  She seems to do okay with other milk products and is always asking for milk to drink over other choices like juice or water.

The way I knew was to give my kids that special lactose free milk and see how they reacted to it. It still caused them to get sick and have symptoms. Drinking milk being the worse form of dairy to cause them to feel bad. But all forms of dairy causes them (and myself) discomfort which I now know is because of the casein in all forms of milk (the milk protein), even in raw milk.

Now I give them chewable calcium pills and they dont mind eating other foods with calcium that is non dairy. We try to avoid dairy as much as we can afford and do.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2008, 01:40:10 PM » by pljammie
Quote from: blackbird on August 25, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
How do you tell the difference between lactose intolerance and being allergic to milk?  My dd tends to get an upset tummy after drinking a glass of milk lately.  She seems to do okay with other milk products and is always asking for milk to drink over other choices like juice or water.

My little guy went from normal and healthy to terrible chronic diarrhea when he went from breast milk to cow's milk.  After a couple of weeks I tried the lactose free milk and it helped some.  However, he didn't stop having stomache aches and bouts of diarrhea until we switched him to raw goat milk.  He can now tolerate raw cow's milk on a rotational basis, but goat's milk is fine all of the time.  Goat's milk has lactose, but the proteins are easier to digest...sooo...all of that to say that the lactose free helped him a bit, but it turned out his real problem is cow milk in general, not lactose.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 12:26:16 AM » by its_me518
Ok. So I'm a little confused.  Undecided  I want to see if my boys have an intolerance to milk (lactose, casein, whatever).

How do I go about "testing" them. Basically, I have not been giving them any "bad" milk products for almost a week. I have been giving them some (very little) raw goats milk.

How long does it take to see a change? What am I actually looking for?

I haven't noticed anything after they drink the milk or eat milk products. Its just that one of them has eczema and another has some sort of a "b*utt rash" that won't go away (and some constipation issues). Someone linked that to "gut" problems... which led me to thinking of getting rid of milk.....

So am I on the right track, or totally confused??  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 01:31:13 AM » by maceoghain
Just a quick note on lactose intolerance...from my family doctor and NT.

While there can be various causes and (as detailed above) other problems with similar symptoms, true lactose intolerance is often a quanity issue more than anything. The body is not able to handle that much of the substance (lactose or otherwise) at one time. This is true for my husband.

Similarly, my 2 yo son has a quantity issue with fruit/veg sugars. Too much apple, corn, etc. will give him a sick tummy.

As for the diaper rash...when my kids got those, it was usually a yeast rash. (Check out the candida thread.)

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2008, 10:29:30 AM » by mykidsmom
Quote from: its_me518 on December 16, 2008, 12:26:16 AM
Ok. So I'm a little confused.  Undecided  I want to see if my boys have an intolerance to milk (lactose, casein, whatever).

How do I go about "testing" them. Basically, I have not been giving them any "bad" milk products for almost a week. I have been giving them some (very little) raw goats milk.

How long does it take to see a change? What am I actually looking for?

I haven't noticed anything after they drink the milk or eat milk products. Its just that one of them has eczema and another has some sort of a "b*utt rash" that won't go away (and some constipation issues). Someone linked that to "gut" problems... which led me to thinking of getting rid of milk.....

So am I on the right track, or totally confused??  Roll Eyes


You're on the right track.  It takes about 30 days for a food to get out of a person's system (the enzyme, etc).  I would go off ALL dairy for 30 days then try to introduce it again.  Eczema is a sure sign of allergy and a rash of any sort following a suspect food should also be taken as a possible allergy.  You have to watch when the rashes hit and what they ate when they hit.  But it sounds like your on the right track with figuring it out.  For me it was process of elimination.   I noticed everytime I ate dairy I got a rash under my arms.  I'd wait for it to go away then try again and sure enough, the rash would come back.  That's how I figured it out before I actually tested.

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 01:34:47 PM » by its_me518
Thanks for the replies. Here's the thing though... the rash that I'm talking about has been here for like 2-3 months & isn't seeming to budge, even while doing a yeast cleansing thing.  Undecided I haven't ever seen a reaction after eating certain foods or anything like that. No tummy pain, nothing. Its just that this rash just WON'T leave. And my other sons eczema just comes whenever. Then it will clear up for a long time... then come back for a while. And our diet usually stays the same... no more / no less milk products. Thats why I don't really get it.  Undecided

I guess I will do the milk free for 30 days and see if I see a change in the rash that won't go away.

Is it better to be TOTALLY milk free, or will the Raw Goat Milk actually HELP them?? They've only been drinking the homogenized/pasturized Organic milk from the store up until now.... I've been reading about Raw Goat Milk and its said to actually HELP cure stuff.... I give them maybe 1/4 cup of the goat milk per day (just to help get the cod liver oil down  Wink )

Any ideas?
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 01:09:14 PM » by its_me518
Quote from: its_me518 on December 16, 2008, 01:34:47 PM
Thanks for the replies. Here's the thing though... the rash that I'm talking about has been here for like 2-3 months & isn't seeming to budge, even while doing a yeast cleansing thing.  Undecided I haven't ever seen a reaction after eating certain foods or anything like that. No tummy pain, nothing. Its just that this rash just WON'T leave. And my other sons eczema just comes whenever. Then it will clear up for a long time... then come back for a while. And our diet usually stays the same... no more / no less milk products. Thats why I don't really get it.  Undecided

I guess I will do the milk free for 30 days and see if I see a change in the rash that won't go away.

Is it better to be TOTALLY milk free, or will the Raw Goat Milk actually HELP them?? They've only been drinking the homogenized/pasturized Organic milk from the store up until now.... I've been reading about Raw Goat Milk and its said to actually HELP cure stuff.... I give them maybe 1/4 cup of the goat milk per day (just to help get the cod liver oil down  Wink )

Any ideas?

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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2009, 07:20:54 AM » by cushsb
if your lactose intolerant, how about trying some kefir?
The good bacteria found in kefir grains make milk in kefir tolerable for people who have that condition.

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