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Offline AllinHisTime

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Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« on: March 01, 2007, 03:54:37 AM »
Dear All:

My best friend for over 10 years was diagnosed with this autoimmune disease at the age of 14.  Over the past few years of having children and weight fluctuation (which I attribute some of to the steroid drug, prednisone) she is now launched into stage 4, the worst stage.  They are going to put her on a transplant list and her galbladder is picking up the slack.

I am greatly concerned for her because she knows her liver is swollen, she is getting constant indigestion and her entire torso up to her shoulder blades are very sore.  She has a loss of appetite, which is normal with inflammation.  She also can not afford the many pharmaceuticals she is prescribed which amounts to $350 or more per month. 

She is finally ready to try some herbal and supplemental remedies to provide relief and support.  I did some research w/what herbal books I do have.  Milk thistle, ginger, chamomile and tumeric are among some of the things suggested.  The tricky part in all of this is that she can not take anything that stimulates her immune system or boosts her white blood cells.

Any suggestions????  Is there anything you can think of that can help cleanse her liver and/or gallbladder or help support it?  I know there is severe damage here but she has no other option except for a miraculous healing from our Lord Jesus, which I totally believe He can do :)

Please keep her in your prayers.
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 06:14:11 AM »
I have a friend who was almost on the donor list for a liver a couple of years back.  His mom has been giving him milk thistle.  I have sent them a note in hopes that they might post more, but I just talked to him the other day and a biospy of his liver turned up normal just weeks ago.  He's healed. 

You might also research some other herbs like spirulina, chlorella, alfalfa, chlorophyl (comes from alfalfa), dandelion and burdock root.  These are all known to be cleansers and detoxers.

Here's a thread all about Liver Function.

Also if it's truly an autoimmune disease, then you might consider researching candida, leaky gut syndrome and essential fatty acids (cod liver oil, omega 3s, etc).

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals]
Natural Antifungals
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All?
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now?



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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 06:31:44 AM »

I have an AI and the exact opposite is true about the immune system.  It needs to be strengthened.  I would go with the milk thistle and add 2 tbls a day of Cod liver oil. 

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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 06:47:25 AM »

I have an AI and the exact opposite is true about the immune system.  It needs to be strengthened.  I would go with the milk thistle and add 2 tbls a day of Cod liver oil. 

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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 07:05:52 AM »

I have an AI and the exact opposite is true about the immune system.  It needs to be strengthened.  I would go with the milk thistle and add 2 tbls a day of Cod liver oil. 

patti
Did I miss something opposite of what?

I think that's in RE: to the original post mentioning that nothing should be taken to boost/stimulate the immune system.

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The tricky part in all of this is that she can not take anything that stimulates her immune system or boosts her white blood cells.

I was wondering about that, too.
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 07:21:21 AM »

I have an AI and the exact opposite is true about the immune system.  It needs to be strengthened.  I would go with the milk thistle and add 2 tbls a day of Cod liver oil. 

patti
Did I miss something opposite of what?

I think that's in RE: to the original post mentioning that nothing should be taken to boost/stimulate the immune system.

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The tricky part in all of this is that she can not take anything that stimulates her immune system or boosts her white blood cells.

I was wondering about that, too.
Thanks for pointing that out.  I must've missed that, because I would think that's conflicting information.  Unless she's doing some sort of chemo-therapy ???
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 07:58:19 AM »
Thanks for the help.

No, my friend is not in chemo.  She was actually bawled out by her specialist for taking Echinacea because her WBC are constantly attacking her liver, looking to her liver like it's a foreign invader.  She finally explained her condition to me and it's AIH (Auto Immune Hepatits) and she also has cirrhosis. 

My gut instinct was also to boost her immune system and support her liver, but since I am still fairly new to natural supplements and herbs, I chalked it up as a learning experience.  She lives in TN and was told that natural, homeopathic physicians don't or "can't " exist down there thanks to legislature???????

Anyway, this is the most upbeat and optimistic I have heard her be about her liver condition in forever....maybe it is even a first!  She only had hopes herbs would help some of her symptoms but today I think she is beginning to grasp that healing is a possibility! 

I'll keep you updated and please, keep me in the know.  I think hearing from your friend, healthybratt would be a real inspiration to her. 
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 08:18:52 AM »
Thanks for the help.

No, my friend is not in chemo.  She was actually bawled out by her specialist for taking Echinacea because her WBC are constantly attacking her liver, looking to her liver like it's a foreign invader.  She finally explained her condition to me and it's AIH (Auto Immune Hepatits) and she also has cirrhosis. 

My gut instinct was also to boost her immune system and support her liver, but since I am still fairly new to natural supplements and herbs, I chalked it up as a learning experience.  She lives in TN and was told that natural, homeopathic physicians don't or "can't " exist down there thanks to legislature???????

Anyway, this is the most upbeat and optimistic I have heard her be about her liver condition in forever....maybe it is even a first!  She only had hopes herbs would help some of her symptoms but today I think she is beginning to grasp that healing is a possibility! 

I'll keep you updated and please, keep me in the know.  I think hearing from your friend, healthybratt would be a real inspiration to her. 
Okay, I get it.  In autoimmune disease one type of immune cell doesn't work and the other one works too much.  This is a result of starving the one that isn't working and over feeding the one that is.  This is caused from Omega 6 and Omega 3 fatty acid imbalance.  She probably needs for omega 3 fats.  Here's a techy article that explains this more in depth.

Immune Restoration

Here's a list of Omega 3 fat sources and Cod Liver Oil is right at the top of my list for recommendations.

Natural sources of omega 6 fats include:Evening Primrose Oil, CottonSeed Oil, Peanut, Grapeseed Oil, Corn Oil, Cereals, Whole Grains, Whole Grain Bread, Corn, Safflower and Sunflower

Natural sources of omega 3 fats include:Cod Liver Oil
Avacodoes, Walnuts, Walnut Oil, Fish Oil, Salmon, Scallops, Halibut, Shrimp, Snapper, Tofu, Squash, Herring, Mackerel, Anchovies, Sardines, Tuna, Chia, Perilla, Purslane, Lingonberry, Hemp, Krill, Krill Oil, Animal Fat (grass fed has higher fat content), Lamb (even commercial lamb is generally grass fed and is reputed to be one of the best meat sources), Dairy (grass fed has higher fat content), MicroAlgae(Crypthecodinium cohnii and Schizochytrium), Brown Algae and Acai(Palm Fruit)

Natural sources of both omega 3s and omega 6s include:
Eggs, Flax Seed and Flax Seed Oil


Oh, and the doc is probably right on this one.  She might want to be careful with normal immune boosters like garlic and echinacea, these can cause what's called a cytokine storm which is an over abundance of the T2 cells mentioned in the above article.  If she can get her T1 cells working again, this shouldn't be an issue any more.
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 01:02:45 PM »
Thanks for that extra tidbit....it makes sense now.  I will pass this info along and hopefully very soon, I'll get her on here to start posting too  ;)

thanks again for your help :)
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 05:34:40 PM »

Sorry I'm just now getting back to all this.  Yes, HB, I was referring to it's opposite of not supporting the immune system.  BUT, you made a very important point, she would need to be careful with "standard" immune boosting things. 

I'm going to layout an example here mainly so folks can understand.  My AI is called interstitial cystitis.  Most people's first thoughts are, "oh, bladder."  You should take, cranberry, vit. C, etc. etc.  All immune boosting things.  But all of those things make my bladder worse.  I have to avoid cranberry, vit. c, extra B vitamins, etc. or the pain is unbearable.  But what HAS helped it and I would think should be valid for all AI's is mega doses of cod liver oil (which is pointed out as an omega 3), gentle cleansing teas with milk thistle to clean the liver, some homeopathic liver remedies, major diet changes, etc. 

The thing to remember with all auto immune diseases is that they are caused by a toxic body.  But if one tries to do heavy cleanses all at once it will cause severe pain/damage.  My liver cleansing has been a process over two years.  When spring comes I will do my first heavy cleansing since trying one two years ago when I almost shot myself for all the pain.  It took 3 days to recover from one major cleansing tea!  Eeeks. :o

Allinhistime, I think if your friend does the 2 tbls of CLO daily for supporting the right immune cells and then does gentle daily milk thistle teas to help cleanse the liver she will do well.  Obvious diet changes are a must (no white anything, etc).  One thing is to remember it takes time an patience to heal an AI naturally.  But I have yet to find a doctor that even believes they can be healed so I'll take the slow approach any day!

HTH

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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2007, 06:05:41 PM »

I just thought of one other mild cleansing thing I do that works very well and makes me feel great.  I do castor oil packs over my liver.  You can take undyed flannel and fold very thick into a large square/rectangle shape (about 12x12 when folded).  Place in a glass casserole dish.  Pour castor oil over the flannel.  Micro (yeah, I know) for about 1 min. or until it's good and warm.  Place a large towel down on a bed, floor, whatever and lay on top of it with the towel being sideways.  Place the flannel (I just carry my dish to my bedroom) over your liver (right below the right breast to the side flank of the body).  Place a large piece of plastic wrap over the flannel and cover it with another towel.  Put a heating pad over the towel (so it doesn't touch the plastic) on med. heat.  Relax for about 1/2 hr to 45 minutes.  When you're done you can remove the flannel and store it in the glass dish with a lid in the fridge.  DO NOT WASH.  When you're done just toss it out, you'll never get it clean.  I reused mine many many times.  Do label it carefully.  I labeled mine "castor oil flannel" and my husband only read the "cas" part and decided it must be a casserole.   ::) 

This method of cleansing is gentle on the liver.  The heat helps the body soak up the castor oil which goes into the liver and helps to cleanse it.  It's one of the few cleansing things that didn't cause me pain in my bladder. 

Patti
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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2007, 09:35:33 AM »
Thank you so much Patti!

I emailed your suggestions to her.  I think she'd enjoy the castor oil cleanse.....sounds soothing to me too!  Now, if I only had 45 minutes to myself......

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Re: Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 08:32:21 AM »
Thank you so much Patti!

I emailed your suggestions to her.  I think she'd enjoy the castor oil cleanse.....sounds soothing to me too!  Now, if I only had 45 minutes to myself......



I know this is an older post, but I just wanted to find out how your friend is doing with the AI Hepatitis?  Has she been able to continue the castor oil wrap?  I think I'm going to try this.  I have AI issues and think this might help things.  Can you get the supplies at Wal-mart?

 I also had a question about the milk thistle, (I know this probably isn't the right place to ask but) if one takes regular meds that are processed thru the liver, does this purge the meds?